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dobey
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OCT 13, 04:10 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by mptighe:
Yeah, Will obviously doesn't WANT to do this, or he would have done it by now, I definitely agree with you there. It is not illegal though to file a report and show the police that someone has your property and won't return it (if you are indeed trying to get it back).
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Why don't you all stop speculating on what you think Will does or does not want to do. He hasn't commented on this thread for a while now. And I'm sure he's already in the process of doing what he wants, to get his car and money back, either as car and money, or as finished product. When that does happen, I hope he lets us all know what the outcome is. But sitting here trying to say what he should or should not do, is pretty much useless at this point. But bumping for progress or saying it's a sucky situation is a completely different thing.
If you WANT to help the situation, don't act like you know what other people WANT to do. You were in a similar situation yourself, and you've gotten your car back, and it's getting done elsewhere, which is great. But please don't presume that you know what Will wants or is doing for his own situation, as you aren't him, and he, as far as I know and understand, has not granted you legal right to speak on his behalf in the matter.
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Turkey on Rye
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OCT 13, 04:40 PM
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10speeder
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OCT 13, 04:42 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by mptighe:
Well, wait a second. According to Will he does want his car back and has been worried about it. I can say, with a degree of certainty, that Will ddn't want this to take this long, and he didn't want the work he already paid for to be destroyed through negligence. It's not illegal for WIll to go there and demand his property, especially if he involves the authorities and brings evidence. There's nothing illegal about that scenario. There are really only two outcomes...
1) Loyde gives them permission to get the car, and they take it. It would still be a civil matter to get his money back but he would have the car.
2) Loyde denies that it's Will's or claims that Will owes him money or something ridiculous like that, and says he can't take it which will make one of the following two things happen...
a. The authorities will not intervene, but Will can still have the authorities document that Loyde denied him access to his property, which can be used as evidence.
b. The authorities will side with Will after reviewing his evidence and tell Loyde he has to release the car or face charges there on the spot.
Yeah, Will obviously doesn't WANT to do this, or he would have done it by now, I definitely agree with you there. It is not illegal though to file a report and show the police that someone has your property and won't return it (if you are indeed trying to get it back).
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Someone need to re-read this thread from the beginning.
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mptighe
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OCT 13, 04:45 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by dobey:
Why don't you all stop speculating on what you think Will does or does not want to do.
But please don't presume that you know what Will wants or is doing for his own situation, as you aren't him, and he, AS FAR AS I KNOW AND UNDERSTAND, has not granted you legal right to speak on his behalf in the matter. |
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This is a forum, and people voice their opinions on it. I keyed in on a couple of important sentences from your post above and bolded a section to make my point. Speculation is speculation. All ANY of us have is speculation unless you've witnessed the events and/or have talked with Will and Loyde. Even then, unless you're typing while Will dictates to you, then you're just speculating. Basically are you the pot or kettle as you JUST speculated in that sentence there?
I don't claim to know what Will's thinking or feeling but having been in a somewhat similar situation, I can relate. I don't have to be an empath to say "I'm sure Will doesn't want to be in this situation". If you seriously think I'm overstepping by making that assumption, then I don't know what to tell you. I guess I didn't consider that WIll set this whole thing up, and wanted to punish himself by waiting to get his car for over five years, waste over $10k just on Loyde (not considering what he spent before), and make statements in his own thread that he wasn't getting satisfaction, only to have a new hobby or because he enjoyed it. I really should have taken that into consideration, you're right.
If you want to chastize, you should make sure you're not doing what you accuse everyone else of doing. Just because we elaborate more on what we think/feel should happen doesn't mean anyting. that's kind of what happens on a forum. Otherwise it sould be a lot of this
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madcurl
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OCT 13, 05:04 PM
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Ahhh....snap! 
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dobey
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OCT 13, 05:18 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by mptighe:
Yeah, Will obviously doesn't WANT to do this, or he would have done it by now, I definitely agree with you there. It is not illegal though to file a report and show the police that someone has your property and won't return it (if you are indeed trying to get it back).
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You clearly did not correctly read my post and bolding is done like I did with this quote again, to point out your fallacy here. The statement above reads as though you seem to know something we don't, and yet you have proofed nothing of it. Has Will directly stated to you that he doesn't want to forcibly via legal means, wish to retrieve his car from Lloyde. Has he granted you Power of Attorney on the matter at hand?
What as far as I know and understand means, is that you have not proofed otherwise. It is not speculation, but merely a statement of what I can see. But if you have a signed document granting you Power of Attorney, please show us. And if such power had been granted you, it would be very dumb to go about posting on the forum such comments as you've made, prior to any final resolution to the matter.
Had I left that very short phrase out, then yes, you would be right that I might be speculating.
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Cheever3000
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OCT 13, 06:31 PM
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But we can surely surmise that somebody done somebody wrong, right? Can we at least agree on that?
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mptighe
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OCT 13, 06:51 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by dobey:
You clearly did not correctly read my post and bolding is done like I did with this quote again, to point out your fallacy here. The statement above reads as though you seem to know something we don't, and yet you have proofed nothing of it. Has Will directly stated to you that he doesn't want to forcibly via legal means, wish to retrieve his car from Lloyde. Has he granted you Power of Attorney on the matter at hand?
What as far as I know and understand means, is that you have not proofed otherwise. It is not speculation, but merely a statement of what I can see. But if you have a signed document granting you Power of Attorney, please show us. And if such power had been granted you, it would be very dumb to go about posting on the forum such comments as you've made, prior to any final resolution to the matter.
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What is it that you feel I need to prove, that if Will had the desire to handle things the way that they were suggested, that he would have done it already? Doesn't that kind of go without saying? If he had said to himself "That was a good idea, I'm going to go ahead and do it", don't you think he would have done it? Even if he had said "That was a good idea, but I can't do it right now", then he's still making a decision that he DOESN'T WANT to do it immediately. The fact that he has not done it surely states that he did not WANT do do it, whether it be indefinitely or immediately. I don't understand why you felt the need to attempt to split hairs on something that was logically based? He didn't do it, for whatever reason, so obviously he chose not to, which means he didn't WANT to commit to that action if he made another choice that outweighed that decision. I suppose you would say I was wrong if I said you WANTED to just sit here and debate something needlessly?
Oh, and you WERE speculating, because you made a statement based on an assumption. You didn't ask a question, therefore it was a statement, and it assumed a premise, it didn't state a fact. Saying "as far as I know" doesn't mean it's not a speculation, actually it implies it. You didn't ask me for proof, you said I didn't have proof. 
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FastFieros
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OCT 13, 06:57 PM
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I have no reason to respond to any of you speculating, as you are NOT current customers, and some of you I hope never are. [This message has been edited by FastFieros (edited 10-13-2010).]
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mptighe
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OCT 13, 07:01 PM
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HEY welcome back Loyde. How's Will's car coming?
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