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Raydar
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JUN 06, 02:06 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
You can describe my behavior in this thread in any number of different ways, but I assure you that being “pouty” isn’t one of them. |
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Before I "policed" my post, it was going to read "butt-hurt" instead of "pouty". I chose to keep it civilized. Thanks for noticing.
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I respect everyone and whatever they have to say initially until they prove to me I was mistaken to do so. To suggest that I’ve never cared what you’ve stated in this forum is not only incorrect, it’s also rather sad. People with such beliefs usually suffer from very low self-esteem, and that’s not something I care to make light of. I’m being serious, but do with my comments as you wish... |
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My comment was more a reflection of your attitude. Not my self-esteem which is just fine, thank you very much. As is my home life.
I stand by my previous "condescending..." statement.
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BN Boomer
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JUN 06, 02:36 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by JohnnyK:
Your kidding me? If he's pro-choice, that means he can't be upset that a pregnant girl died? Really grasping for an argument aren't you? You know she was planning on having an abortion? Empathy can't be felt because your pro-choice? Holy **** you're either ****ed up, or stupid as hell. |
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But it's just a lump of cells and tissue, right?
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BN Boomer
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JUN 06, 02:38 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
That has got to be one of the most disgusting things I have EVER read in this or any forum, referring to an unborn fetus as a “dirt bag” that “our society won't have to support and be victimized by” !  Yet no one has commented on that. Not even Raydar, who was totally freaked out by my comment to Nick about his dogs passing gas. |
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Refering to a lump of cells and tissue that would likely evolve into a a dirtbag like it's parent disgusts you?
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Patrick
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JUN 06, 02:58 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by jstricker:
I'm sorry if I don't take several hours and read through links to a thread 6 pages long where you said something in reference to Johnnyk and myself. I just don't have time.
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John, I don’t understand that comment at all. I saved you the time by posting the relevant passage right there in plain view. It couldn’t have been any easier for you.
| quote | Originally posted by jstricker:
....but the initial understanding of the line was already there and to a large degree it was there because you left it there, Patrick.
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Are you suggesting I should’ve deleted it? If so, I don’t agree with doing that at all. I don’t believe in re-writing history. I’ll stand or fall with what I’ve posted. I hate it when people alter (not counting grammar or spelling changes) or delete their posts. That’s the coward’s way out. Either apologize for what was stated if a change of mind has occurred, or stand up and defend one’s comments. I chose the latter.
| quote | Originally posted by jstricker:
Don't blame others for not properly interpreting a post in which you don't give enough information to understand what you meant.
You said "Just to keep some perspective on this, it was a pregnant teenage girl who was killed." That's it. Nothing more. From that we're supposed to get that you don't disagree with the ex-marine for defending himself, you agree the girl was wrong in trying to rob him, but that it was a tragedy that a teenage girl (believed pregnant at the time) was killed.
That's not a post, Patrick, that's a soundbite a politician would use so he could weasel out of it later.
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Do you not find it fascinating that from my one simple comment, so many people would jump to the assumption that I was suggesting the Marine was a “murderer”, that the girl was a “victim”, and that the “unborn child” was somehow a pawn in all this? I was certainly amazed. Am I at fault because several people decided (using their own discretion, as adults) to choose the worst possible explanation for my comments? Is it really necessary to write an essay (like this) every time we post? Are you suggesting that I originally had no intention of clarifying the issue if asked?
By my third post (the 15th post of the thread) on the first page, I made my feelings quite clear. Wasn’t that good enough? I guess not. We’re currently at five pages and 193(!) posts and some people are still trying to tell me what I meant. Humans are strange creatures...
| quote | Originally posted by jstricker:
I also never said you ALWAYS bashed the US. I said "You rarely miss an opportunity...”
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Splitting hairs John, splitting hairs... 
John, I appreciate that you’ve remained civil through all this. I understand your point of view. We may not agree on much, but I continue to respect what you have to say. Let’s just leave it at that. I’m sure we’ve both got better things to do after all this... 
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Fastback 86
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JUN 06, 03:36 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by BN Boomer:
Refering to a lump of cells and tissue that would likely evolve into a a dirtbag like it's parent disgusts you?
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I find completely writing a person off from the moment of conception based soley on the legal/social status of one parent to be more blatantly stupid than disgusting, but the fact that you would be so cold and cynical about a unique life that had no chance to establish itself in any way is rather disgusting.
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Nazareth
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JUN 06, 04:05 AM
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Patrick.... I gave you a negative after sitting here and reading this entire thread. See some of us will tell you flat out.
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BN Boomer
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JUN 06, 04:44 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Fastback 86:
I find completely writing a person off from the moment of conception based soley on the legal/social status of one parent to be more blatantly stupid than disgusting |
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Yes, I'm sure the odds that a child nurtured by a violent criminal will grow up into a responsible, law abiding citizen are pretty great indeed. 
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but the fact that you would be so cold and cynical about a unique life that had no chance to establish itself in any way is rather disgusting. |
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Do you feel that same way about the millions of fetuses aborted in this country?
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USFiero
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JUN 06, 07:06 AM
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which fight are we talkin 'bout? I wonder if the ex-marine would have reacted differently if the girl was visibly preagnant. Doesn't matter now. I think those who go out with the intent of assaulting someone else shold expect to perhaps be met with equal or greater force. Just because it wasn't the cops this time, it is more noteworthy.[This message has been edited by USFiero (edited 06-06-2006).]
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jstricker
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JUN 06, 12:01 PM
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Fascinating? No. Confusing, certainly.  I do think that your original intent was to SLIGHTLY make a victim out of the person that died, only so far as (at that time) an innocent life, the fetus, had been lost in all of this. It turned out that there actually WAS no fetus, but unless you've been bestowed with some kind of clairvoyance, you had no way of knowing that. I didn't detect any notion that you were trying to make the ex-marine into a murderer. Say what you want though, he IS a killer. Justified, IMHO, but a killer nonetheless. Nobody probably is aware of that more than he is, from the sound of the article.
I also think that you intentionally made it a one line, ambiguous post to stir the pot and, again, have to say that you shouldn't be too shocked that some members jumped all over you for it. Outraged and angry, OK, but not shocked. You've been around long enough to know that when you post something like that exactly what is going to happen. It's not necessary to write an "essay", but how about something to the effect of
"You know, the girl killed was young and pregnant. That doesn't excuse her actions, but it's a tragedy that something like this had to take place on a lot of levels. I'm all for the Marine protecting himself. However, it seems unfortunate to me that as a "civilized" society we can so easily shrug off the stabbing death of a pregnant teenage girl. It's an ugly event from any angle."
Something like the above is just three lines and yet is perfectly clear what you meant, Patrick. It doesn't have to be an essay, but it does have to convey enough information to allow the reader to understand you fully, otherwise you're going to get exactly what this thread has become.
John Stricker
| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
Do you not find it fascinating that from my one simple comment, so many people would jump to the assumption that I was suggesting the Marine was a “murderer”, that the girl was a “victim”, and that the “unborn child” was somehow a pawn in all this? I was certainly amazed. Am I at fault because several people decided (using their own discretion, as adults) to choose the worst possible explanation for my comments? Is it really necessary to write an essay (like this) every time we post? Are you suggesting that I originally had no intention of clarifying the issue if asked? |
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Formula88
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JUN 06, 12:49 PM
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While I do see Patrick's point now, it did seem he was more interested in the argument that what he was trying to say. Maybe that's my fault, but that's what it seemed like.
It was a tragedy that she was killed. Only insofar as it's tragic whenever a life is lost at such a young age or thrown away by becoming a criminal. I don't have much sympathy for her because she was a criminal.
John mentioned that the marine is a killer. To me, that is the greater tragedy. We don't know if he ever killed anyone in the service, but regardless he has now taken a human life. He has to live with that. He was made a killer not by his own choice, but because of the actions of a criminal. Put in a "kill or be killed" situation, he really had no choice.
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