You are right you started this thread to see where a stock 4.9 auto would run in the qtr with at most a rockcrawl chip. I answered taht question on page one based on what everyone else with the same setup has run. Then I get the bashing coming down onme saying that 4.9's can be faster. But you asked for stock.

And stock is going to be a mid 14(linenoise) to a low 15 second qtr mile time.

Now if you want to spend roughly $2500 or so on a swap to get you high 14's or so go for it. Its your car.

SH

Sure, maybe the formula is faster but how do you know? Taken it to the track yet or are you going by your Butt dyno?

If you are going to swear that your car can beat his, then prove it. Go to the track. There is no excuses at the track.

Well first of all if you go back and look I am not backing out of anything. Earl was the first one to metnion racing on the freeway. I was game for that. Then he changed his mind and wants to go at a track. Which of course this is all fine and daddy. I don't want to race at a track though. Its just that simple. I dont' want to race at a track just like he doesnt' want to race on the street. Why don't you give him some flack for not wanting to race on the freeway from a roll like he originally callled me out to do. I do not want to race at a track. He said its $25 for two runs. NO THANK YOU. I am not going to drive an hour to race at a strip and only get two runs in. It would be easier if we met halfway and did a freeway run after doing a drive through looking for police.

And I know thiis formula is faster and I have listed the reasons as to why. go back and read again and try to comprehend this time. Also the timeslip is of my old 85 gt. REad it again black and you will see that I typed that. Why do you not comprehend anything???? I posted that timeslip from my old car as a reference to what it ran and I know my formula is faster. STop trying to be a dick and trying to find flaws in my posts or where I am going back on something that I previously stated cause i haven't gone back on anything. Actually read it before making a post. Read it 20 times if you have to to make sure that it sinks in. How did you ever get through school without really understanding anything that you read?

And arns I just told you that this car dead hooks on nitrous. I even posted a slip of a 1.8 60 ft time. So how can you then turn around and say that it spins? Dude think for a sec. I tell you my car dead hooks spraying off the line and then you turn around and call me a liar by saying that a 2.8 with nitrous and a manual tranny will spin off the line. Get a clue. It doesn't spin at all.

The race isnt' going to happen cause we can't agree on a place to do it. Oh well.

Case closed.

SH

I do know that we had a best ET of 14.86 and a best trap speed of 94.2 mph (not on the same run), but that's all I have of on my records. That was with a stock 4.9L that was hitting the rev limiter and Chris had to lift to get it to shift.

You can launch an automatic as hard or harder than a stick if you know how to do it. We come very close to pulling the right front tire on launch, but not quite. That won't change with the new chip, it will just allow us to stay in the throttle the whole way down the track. Since we put the 225-16 Dunlops on the back, we have no wheelspin and we're running 2.99 gears, not 2.64's.

I'll still think we'll beat you to the 1/8th pretty handily if you stay with the 75 shot. We have a huge advantage on torque which is what matters off the line. You know that just as well as I do. How the race would end up would be a close call.

You're right, the gear ratio is the same regardless of converter, mechanically, but the advantage TO a torque converter is just that, it effectively lowers the gearing up to the stall speed. In effect, we'll be launching like a car with 4.10's until we get to the point the converter is effectively 1:1 or nearly so. That, and quicker shifts, is why the bracket racers are running autos and not sticks (along with consistency).

Even the big boys don't play with conventional manual transmissions. The run progressive, centrifugal clutches and planetary boxes. A straight 4 speed or 5 speed is NOT the quickest way down the track and hasn't been for a long time. The one thing they have going for them (and it's a big one) is weight. They're significantly lighter than an auto and lighter = faster, all other things being equal.

I'm also at a loss as to why you won't go to the track now, but post a time slip. Grow up and take it off the street where the real racers go.

John Stricker

I comprehended everything you said. I know you where talking about two different cars 85gt and the formula. You typed it nice and clear. Yhat is why I said, "Sure, maybe the formula is faster". But with out going to the track you dont know for sure. I probably would race on the street, but that is just me. How ever, if I talked all the smack you did I would go to the track to back myself up. Plus, Earl agreed to buy you dinner, beer, a tank of gas, ect.... if he looses. So what's the big deal about $25.

From this side of the internet, you look like your being a ***** . This thread died for a few days and you're the one who brought it back with the Dyno sheets showing how you must be able to win, but you still wont race him. In a situation like this, a track is the only way. A staging light, 1/4 mile, no excuses. Be a man and do it, or dont post here any more about your car being faster. Really.

If you REALLY want to do the freeway thing then let's just do it like we used to back when I was in College back in the mid '70's. Hays, KS, to the KS/CO state line, I 70 all the way. 162 miles. We race for pink slips. Come on up and you best have an extra bottle or two. Even then, be sure to look at the MPH on that dyno sheet I posted and remember, that was in 3rd gear, not OD.

John "yes, I was once young and stupid too, but both times I did it I ended up with an extra car" Stricker

PS: one time I left the car I beat sitting at Grinnell, KS, and never went back for it since it blew up there. I had no use for a 351 Cleveland with a picture window in the side of the block. The other time I had pity on the guy and sold it back to him for $1,000.

"And arns I just told you that this car dead hooks on nitrous. I even posted a slip of a 1.8 60 ft time. So how can you then turn around and say that it spins? Dude think for a sec. I tell you my car dead hooks spraying off the line and then you turn around and call me a liar by saying that a 2.8 with nitrous and a manual tranny will spin off the line. Get a clue. It doesn't spin at all."

after I said ........

.......And I thought I was both fair & clear. A guy pulling ~200 hp will hook up. A guy ~300+on nitrous is not going to hook solid.

I thought my comment was pretty fair, but this is what I just got on PM's from SH. Shaun you just don't get it. Sometimes a setup doesn't come together first nite out.

Quote from SH:

you were the one talking about what jets to use for max power. going around saying you are running the same jets and that the car runs good with it.
Now you take it to the track and you are a half second off. Ummm what happened to all that extra hp and perfect jetting you had on it? Why would you go around telling other people what to jet their carb at if you didnt' feel it was the best setting?? You told people what to jet their carb at cause that is what you had yours at.

Now it wasn't as fast and you blame it on the jetting after being sure taht it was the best jetting for the setup.

Give it a rest dude.

And that was my point with my post about the carb on the 4.9. He put a carb on it and hasn't taken it to the track or dyno to change jettings or tune it to see if it has made a positive difference. He just slapped it on and states its faster. Well we can see that is not always the case since your car proved this. Most likely him slapping that carb on the 4.9 slowed it down. he did no tuning on it except for maybe the butt. But then again yoiu used yoru butt too right and you see where that got you.

I think its kind of funny. Even on a great day a 4.9 will do a 14.6 as linenoise has posted. This is after many trips to the drag and getting the launch down just right. This guy has never been to the track, prob has carb tuning issues that he is unaware of so its not making as much power. SO lets say that this 4.9 can do a mid 14. That is still not enough. I find it funny how people think a mid 14 is enough to beat me. I posted my old 85 gt with less power and a auto tranny turned a 14.1 Thats already half a second faster then the best stock 4.9 swap out there with the auto tranny. And this car that I am driving now is faster then my old setup. It has better gearing, weighs less, and is making more power then the 4.9. So it should seem obvious whos car is faster

You people are so hung up on hoping to see me lose that you are trying to find any reason why I will. I post facts on what my car can do and people still make excuses. Some are so blinded by wanted to see me lose. Its kind of funny really.

If a C5 corvette rolled up next to him at a light, he wouldnt' even think about it. Now my car is not a corvette, but compared to the 4.9 auto the vette has better gearing and more hp. The corvette weighs a little more though then my car. But even then it has better gearing and more power. You wouldnt' even argue taht then would you? So wahts the difference here? My car has better gearing and more hp and weighs less. It should be easy to figure out which car is faster.

TAke the blinders off and I recommend everyone else take them off too.

SH

This isn't rational. You're banned on my PM's.

We dont want to see you lose, we want to see you prove it, SH.

YEAH... and now you're just old and stupid!!!

Now that is FUNNY! How many cigars did you smoke between Hays and Colorado? Hey, I've got a local place that rents Vipers and what not... you and Chris up to that same run in my rental vs. your Finale? Actually, I need to post that picture of what they made Chris run against at Wheatstock

Actually, I was just curious what YOU were running back in the day? The broken car sounds like it might have been a mustang (they put 351's in them right?)... the other car... I'm just gonna take a wild guess here... was an Impala with a 327... and my second wild ace guess was that you were in a Coronet with a 383...

I support a family of 4.. So, I think I might have one..

I never said I had anything..
But....lol matter of fact I am doing a 5speed 4.9L swap myself!
Right now it is up on block's waiting on the swap.. oh and I have a widebody choptop...
What do you have..??
I bet my dog could whip your's
or
I can run faster then you
or
my daughter could beat you up... and she's only 8!

Come on dude, why are you always trolling after me..?? You dont have anything better to do..??
I just wanted to know if he has 2 college degree's why he works at a car lot.??
I mean this thread turned to shiit as usual when a 4.9L is asked about... Why?