Levi's sports white knots in support of gay marriage (Page 2/31)
tutnkmn MAY 28, 01:23 PM

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Originally posted by frontal lobe:


My suggestion to homosexuals--get your OWN word for what you are doing.




Okay

Keep the word marriage. A civil union/partnership with legal rights the same as marriage would be fine. Keep the religious/sacred overtones to hetero couples, that's fine. Problem is most civil unions are not equal in rights of survivorship, personal/real property ownership and many other protections offered by "marriage."

I'll call the new unions, oh say.....................................martage. Maybe, ummmm.............................mortage. Oh, too close to mortgage.
Patrick's Dad MAY 28, 01:42 PM
ray, you were married in a time of normalcy. We didn't have arguments about what a marriage is, what it's supposed to be or why it exists. The government wasn't attacking the concept and trying to redefine it.

Yes, marriage predated Christianity; Judaism practiced it for a few thousand years before. The point is, Marriage predates the United States of America, and it has been the mandate of the Church/Synagogue to preside over it (Islam - or at least the Koran - allows for polygamy, I believe, and Mohamed married his cousin, who would be considered severely underage in our society).

And, if you want to look at it through a different world view, then humankind has had millions of years to come up with something better than one man and one woman to raise a family and be the foundation of a society. In more recent past, Greece and Rome have already traveled down the path that we are going. Look where they are.

Again, I propose that we return Marriage to where American society (until this generation) found it - in the church - and anyone else joined in a civil ceremony can be called something else. Like Civilly Joined. Or Partnered. Or Civil Unioned. Whatever.
Phranc MAY 28, 01:47 PM
Marriage means different things in different religions. But of course only the mainstream christian religions definition is being pushed. And not all christian churches see marriage as one man and one woman. If a church is willing to marry them then the state should afford them every right they would any other couple married by any other church. But this argument isn't about fairness or equality for most gay marriage opponents. Its all about making sure their christian dogmas are what everyone else is held to. Typical christian power play for more dictation over government.
Red88FF MAY 28, 01:56 PM

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Originally posted by tutnkmn:


Okay

Keep the word marriage. A civil union/partnership with legal rights the same as marriage would be fine. Keep the religious/sacred overtones to hetero couples, that's fine. Problem is most civil unions are not equal in rights of survivorship, personal/real property ownership and many other protections offered by "marriage."

I'll call the new unions, oh say.....................................martage. Maybe, ummmm.............................mortage. Oh, too close to mortgage.






Now that is quite reasonable.

It needs to be put to and through the legislators and made law. I bet it would fly through with little opposition if done the way you suggest.
jstricker MAY 28, 02:30 PM
Which "legal right" are they denied at this time, that they can't get, that is afforded to opposite sex married couples?

John Stricker

PS: READ CAREFULLY! I said legal RIGHT.


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Originally posted by tutnkmn:


Okay

Keep the word marriage. A civil union/partnership with legal rights the same as marriage would be fine. Keep the religious/sacred overtones to hetero couples, that's fine. Problem is most civil unions are not equal in rights of survivorship, personal/real property ownership and many other protections offered by "marriage."

I'll call the new unions, oh say.....................................martage. Maybe, ummmm.............................mortage. Oh, too close to mortgage.
frontal lobe MAY 28, 02:35 PM

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Originally posted by ray b:


there were marriages long before there were churches
and no one has wanted to force churches to marry gays
but church sure wants to impose it's will on those outside the cult
I think that shows the danger of cults far more then anything else





Using your concepts and principles:

there were homosexual couples long before there were churches, too. But they didn't try to get the culture to call them married.


You aren't interested in church related activities, so you may be unaware that there HAVE been people trying to get churches to "marry" homosexuals.


If all homosexuals wanted were what tutnkmn wanted, this could be resolved quickly. It is constitutional for a homosexual couple to have rights equal to married couples.

But that isn't what many homosexuals want. They want what you are against, rayb. They DO want to impose on others. They WANT their relationship called a marriage. And it isn't enough that THEY want to call it that. They want YOU and I to HAVE to call it that, too. It isn't enough to have rights equal to it. They want it CALLED that. Why? Because they want their relationship to have a certain acceptability in society, too.

Well, homosexual couples, I want you to have equal rights to others. And I will treat you as kindly as heterosexuals, married or living together or not. But I don't accept it as right, and as an equally good alternative life style. You can. I don't. The difference is I will still be nice to you regardless, but you won't be nice to me UNLESS I acquiesce to your demands. Including allowing you to change the THOUSANDS of year old definition.

So, very good points, rayb. Only let's be honest here and call it like it really is going on and what it's about.
ray b MAY 28, 02:39 PM

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Originally posted by jstricker:

Which "legal right" are they denied at this time, that they can't get, that is afforded to opposite sex married couples?

John Stricker

PS: READ CAREFULLY! I said legal RIGHT.




medical decisions
non probated rights to property
pensions
tax laws
health insurance


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Question wonder and be wierd
are you kind?

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Red88FF MAY 28, 02:42 PM
Social security survivor benefits.

Legal right to estate of partner if not spelled out in will.

Family health care policies.

Community property rights ( I know they can do that through contract now)

Family visitation only in hospitals

Anything to do with next of kin.

These are just off the top of my head. I am sure there are others.
blackrams MAY 28, 03:14 PM
OK, so I'm guessing that no one else watched Country Music Entertainer of the Decade.
Just so you know, George Strait won.

Get it, George STRAIT WON.




Ron

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NEPTUNE MAY 28, 04:54 PM

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Originally posted by avengador1:

Besides the Church (and that one too is doubtful), who gets hurt by Gay marriage?



Thank you.
The answer, obviously, is no one.