Lopsided chops? (Page 2/103)
tednelson83 AUG 27, 05:37 AM
not even the factory got them all symetrical, so what makes you think that a customizer has any shance in the world of getting it perfect every time?

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jmbishop AUG 27, 05:55 AM
Exactly, Thats already been said. According to some there are some choptops that have a obvious low side. This has never been proven or disproved, its never really been talked about on the forum until now and it has exploded. I honestly don't understand why it has caused the stir that it has, if I had known it would have been such a soft spot I might have kept my contributions to the debate to myself.

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Archie AUG 27, 09:19 AM

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Originally posted by jmbishop:
State facts with evidence to support them in the appropriate place if you plan to keep this debate going.
Xanth AUG 27, 09:39 AM
So this whole thing is about something that can't be easily proven online, about someone else's car, who hasn't even seen the car yet?

Tried reading through the other thread but couldn't keep track of this subject. In the picture above the left side of the stinger looks slightly squished, but that is obviously a very hard point to make using a picture as already discussed being nearly impossible to get a perfect angle with a camera.

Unfortunately, I imagine even if someone did break out the measuring tape and found the cars to be right on, there would be a whole new argument that the measurements were faked.

If the people who own the cars don't have any issues, then whats the problem?

Edit: Or is the argument really more about the glass windows?

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jscott1 AUG 27, 10:05 AM

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Originally posted by Xanth:

Edit: Or is the argument really more about the glass windows?




I gave up trying to discuss the glass windows in the other thread.

Since this thread in particular is all about lopsided chops, and I own a chop...so I'm commenting

Well the "problem" was stated to exist in all Notchback chops. People that I know and respect say they have seen it. I've seen the Stinger, and I've seen Will's car, and although I didn't take a tape measure to them, I didn't see anything that jumped out at me as being "wrong"

Also, I vaugely remember it being stated that Will's car was so far off that it was being "reworked" to correct the problem. Yet Will himself says he has never seen the "problem" that we are all talking about.

The photo from the Stinger is inconclusive, except that within the parameters of that particular photograph there is nothing glaringly obvious.

So I agree, untill we have more data, we are debating in a vacuum.
DL10 AUG 27, 11:40 AM
I’ll post in this thread before it hits the trashcan where it belongs. I own the GBCT, Archie’s first choptop. This car has been in Texas and I’m sure some of you have seen it there.
Is my car perfect…….no Stock Fiero’s aren’t perfect.
Is it good enough for me,… yes. I knew what I was buying and was happy with what I got.
Do I mind if people find a flaw in my car and tell me about it…no. Hell I’m usually the one pointing out things to others that they would never notice.
Do I think someone who talks about my car behind my back or on the Internet but won’t say anything to me to my face is a chicken-s###, **** ****…….Yes

I don’t feel the need to put down other peoples work to try to make mine look better.
madcurl AUG 27, 12:22 PM

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Originally posted by jmbishop:

According to some there are some choptops that have a obvious low side. This has never been proven or disproved, its never really been talked about on the forum until now and it has exploded. I honestly don't understand why it has caused the stir that it has, if I had known it would have been such a soft spot I might have kept my contributions to the debate to myself.




So now your saying, "ACCORDING TO SOME." That's strange, I only read (3) person with and your buddy Mstangbware as the spoke persons and now you're wondering "why" it has caused an issue.


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Originally posted by jmbishop:

The new thread is the appropriate place to discus the possibility of uneven chops, not for bashing.



So now you're calling it "POSSIBILITY" of uneven choptops. Before you ran to start another thread you just about swore by the testimonials of others it was uneven, but now it's "POSSIBILITES."

Lets recap. Before your admission this was your basis for the discussion;


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Originally posted by jmbishop:

I don't see it in the pictures at all, but its still hard to ignore the 3 people saying its off. The truth is that the only problem here is if the owners of the chops have a problem with the roof of there cars being a noticeable amount off.



This was "your moment" to shine with diginity by backing away. However, like a raging bull you charge forward.


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Originally posted by jmbishop:

None of us have anything to gain from Archie's chops being off, and even if a few are a little off it really only matters to the owner of the cars. Neither of us have documentation and your trying to jump in without th information sitting in your garage. Like I keep saying I haven't and don't see it,I have seen the car at Loyde's but didn't payed much attention to it when I had the chance but there are three other who said they have. You could do us a favor and take a measuring tape to the 2 of yours you have access to. You have the ability so why not entertain us? If I owned a Archie chop as long as it wasn't to far off I think I could live with it. With wills permission if I'm ever able to get close to his car I will measure it if no one else has. If we're going to keep talking about this it need to go to PMs or start a new thread.




Please take notice;


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Originally posted by jmbishop:

None of us have anything to gain from Archie's chops being off. Like I keep saying I haven't and don't see it,I have seen the car at Loyde's but didn't payed much attention to it when I had the chance .



Nothing to gain huh? Yet you start another thread. No documentation huh, but still you continue. You stated you seen the (car), but didn't pay any attention, but you start another thread

Do us all a favor. Pull out your self-righteous sword from its sheet and fall upon it. For you have truly embarrass yourself, again.

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jmbishop AUG 27, 12:36 PM
You don't quite do you? This was a nice clean thread, now you've come and muddied the water.
jscott1 AUG 27, 01:40 PM
For all those that think they see lopsided chops here is an eye test...

Which horizontal line is longer? (neither) Is the bottom horizontal line segment to the right of the other? (no)



Is the outer rectangle and diamond distorted? (no)



Do the diagonal lines line up? (yes)



Are the horizontal lines parallel (yes)



Moral of the story....

Things are not always as they seem.

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randye AUG 27, 01:43 PM
I am NOT an authority on chop tops, Archies work or anyone elses.

I DO know the following from experience for what it's worth:

1. I worked for a time with AMT ERTL as a model kit design engineer, (model cars)

2. To design model cars we had to take measurements and cut templates from a real car to scale it down in order to make a master drawing from which prototypes and molds were eventually made. (This is before CAD was in wide use and becuse we simply could not get full body CAD data from the OEMs). We cut profile and sectional templates every 2 inches along the body. Our master models were rendered in 1/8th or 1/10th scale before being pantographed into the steel molds at 1/24th or 1/25th scale/

3. I personally measured and cut templates for many cars.

4. I discovered that every car I measured and templated from a 57' Chevy to a Plymouth Prowler had dimensional differences, (some small, some great) from side to side or front to rear.

5. Looking at the car before and after making measurements and templates you would swear that everything was straight as an arrow and completely symmetrical.