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jstricker
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NOV 11, 05:49 PM
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BS, Bill. I can choose to do business with whoever I want when it comes to their choice of PRACTICING a lifestyle..........and I will.
John Stricker
| quote | Originally posted by 84Bill:
A business owner SHOULD NEVER refuse service based on religion, race, sexual orientation, hair color or anything else.
A simple "NO" should suffice and if that isn't good enough then TS. The court system is always happy to find out why and then level damages. Its the reason they exist. Steal the peoples money and justify their existance. |
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cliffw
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NOV 11, 05:49 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Scott-Wa:
And the pedophile comment made above was just completely ignorant. |
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Nothing ignorant about sarcasm.
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fierofetish
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NOV 11, 05:52 PM
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I don't know how old you are, Scott, but when I was young, homosexuality was probably almost as reviled as pedophilia. I sometimes wonder what happened to make it 'acceptable'. And I wonder too, if the Pedophiles had had as much vociferous , yet MINORITYsupport that homosexuals did then,(often in very high places of power, such as Government) and still do, perhaps it could have become 'acceptable' too. And then YOU would be the one being denigrated now, for objecting to something you find abhorrent. Yet you would still FIND it abhorrent..just that you would not be allowed to protest about it, without being stigmatised in the way that people who find homosexuality equally as abhorrent, are today. Just suppose it was made legal...would you change your attitude to it, because an ultra-permissive society found it should be allowed? Would you give up your belief that it was wrong, and condone such actions by working with Pedophiles? If, as I believe, your answer is a resounding 'NO!!', then you should equally not demand that people are forced to accept that which they innately believe to be wrong, and totally un-natural.They nhad the right, and used it .Personal choice. And they WERE civil, polite and honest. They could have quite simply accepted that those people didn't want to work with,or for them, and found somebody else who would. No, they chose to stir up a hornet's nest, just because they are 'Gay'. I am getting tired of the high profile they demand, and receive, BECAUSE they are homosexuals. Why does Society come down on straight people for not liking homosexuality? Why should they be forced to accept, or condone, something they find totally un-natural, and abhorrent? Yes, I find it abhorrent. Probably because I was molested 4 times by homosexuals between the ages of 7 and 15. You want me to like them, or even accept them? I was scarred, and still am, by those assaults. So I can't find it in my heart, or soul, to feel any sympathy for them. Hell, I suffered homosexuality AND pedophilia attacks simultaneously..and I wished those people dead for their attacks. In those days, I was too scared to admit to ANYBODY what had happened to me .I had to get through it alone.But the scars are still there, deep down. Just as a woman who has been raped, bears a fear of men for a long time, possibly for life. And before anybody comes back and says not all homosexuals are predatory...that may be true. But first and foremost, they WERE homosexuals.
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Formula88
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NOV 11, 05:53 PM
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The threats of murder and sodomizing the children must have come from those supporting diversity and tolerance?
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84Bill
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NOV 11, 05:55 PM
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If you admit to that in court John... you will be found guilty of discrimination and probably fined heavily. Better keep your hate intolorance preference to yourself.
| quote | Originally posted by jstricker:
BS, Bill. I can choose to do business with whoever I want when it comes to their choice of PRACTICING a lifestyle..........and I will.
John Stricker
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[This message has been edited by 84Bill (edited 11-11-2006).]
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Formula88
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NOV 11, 05:57 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 84Bill:
A business owner SHOULD NEVER refuse service based on religion, race, sexual orientation, hair color or anything else.
A simple "NO" should suffice and if that isn't good enough then TS. The court system is always happy to find out why and then level damages. Its the reason they exist. Steal the peoples money and justify their existance. |
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| quote | Originally posted by jstricker:
BS, Bill. I can choose to do business with whoever I want when it comes to their choice of PRACTICING a lifestyle..........and I will.
John Stricker
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Actually, the way I read Bill's post was you should never use religion, race, sexual orientation, etc. as the reason. You should just politely decline their buisness and not be obligated to give a reason.
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jstricker
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NOV 11, 06:01 PM
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Again, you assume hate. There is none. I don't care what they do, it's their lives. Just don't make me give my money to support it because I'm not going to and if I end up in jail for it I really don't care.
John Stricker
| quote | Originally posted by 84Bill:
If you admit to that in court John... you will be found guilty of discrimination and probably fined heavily. Better keep your hate to yourself.
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Boondawg
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NOV 11, 06:02 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by jstricker:
So, we can only make our own individual choices if we LIE about why we make them? You assume too much. I have made the same decision. I don't care who knows about MY beliefs but MY hard earned money WILL NOT go to support a life style I believe to be wrong. Period. End of story. I will not lie about it either. That's like firing someone for some made up cause, and I won't do that.
To me it's more telling about the apologists saying "oh, just lie, don't tell them what you really think". Screw that.
John Stricker
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John, I never said lie.
I did, however, allude to omission.
Omission, becouse a personal opinion of someone, espiecally a client, should be kept just that, personal.
Good buisness keeps personal feelings about the customer out of it.
I know, I deal with it every day.
If I only served people I personally like, we'd be out of buissness.
It's not my job to approve or dissapprove of how they live thier life.
As a matter-of-fact, it's none of my buisness, and should have no bearing on the quality of service they can expect.
At the very least, no more so then anyone else is entitled to.
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fierobear
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NOV 11, 06:03 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Formula88:
Actually, the way I read Bill's post was you should never use religion, race, sexual orientation, etc. as the reason. You should just politely decline their buisness and not be obligated to give a reason. |
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But...isn't it a shame that we don't have freedom of association (which includes NOT to associate)?
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84Bill
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NOV 11, 06:04 PM
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I amended my previous post.
Thats just it, you arent supporting them but this thread isn't about that issue, it's about them supporting you and your business as a landscaper who refuses a service based solely on sexual orentation / preferences.
| quote | Originally posted by jstricker:
Again, you assume hate. There is none. I don't care what they do, it's their lives. Just don't make me give my money to support it because I'm not going to and if I end up in jail for it I really don't care.
John Stricker
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