END OF KIT CARS? (Page 18/60)
madcurl DEC 21, 02:35 AM

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Originally posted by F355spider:


I have to say No. I barely remember two days ago and you are asking about 2007? It does sound impulsive stalker like but I will amuse you and say bring it on if you wish.



Let me refresh your memory. Exoticse started a thread on your ever so lovely "Kit Kar Forum" and YOUR comment WAS, "This crap shouldn't be here and to keep that crap over on Pennock's (#020 and #022). Being the type of person you are-you had it deleted and so too your comments, but it was copied. Thus the stalker is actually "YOU" and the hater of all things that are badged "correctly" is you.
madcurl DEC 21, 03:00 AM

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Originally posted by Bloozberry:

Someone needs a reminder of what they did say:






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Originally posted by madcurl:
...all other replicas look stupid.





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Originally posted by madcurl:

The best looking replica ever made IMHO. Makes all other replicas look stupid. Notice the details, the frame, the body, the windows, and last if not least the engine.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...NR4s&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watc...lpp_video&playnext=1

I think he missed the mark on the hood vents, but you're thrown off by the build., but seriously, if you're trying to fool somebody at least get the exterior right and never leave the 2.8 in the back.



You must work for Fauxnews for I like how you misquoted me. When you compare the video link above indeed it makes All replicas "look" stupid (i.e the F40 in question).
madcurl DEC 21, 03:44 AM

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Originally posted by ferrobi:

But your general hatred/bashing of replica's is what I don't like and understand. I don't bash you car nor anyone else's or anyone else's type of car "choppers". So maybe you'll get it someday. Maybe not. I'm pretty sure you never will.



So, what you're saying is that any mentioning of a (REPLICA) regardless of it's (POOR CONSTRUCTION) made shouldn't be spoken, right?



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Originally posted by ferrobi:

So maybe you'll get it someday. Maybe not. I'm pretty sure you never will.



I'll tell what I'll "Never get" is this; (Some) replica owners religiously believe that a Ferrari or lamborghini badge contains magical powers that can transform a poorly designed replica into the real thing and the result will blind everybody that looks upon it.

steve308 DEC 21, 06:54 AM
I’m interested in how you feel about Archies Miura build or his GT40t projects. Do they measure up to the great chop top work he does or are they of lesser value because they are based on the spirit of a production vehicle? PS wish my "chicken wire" looked that good!
DL10 DEC 21, 07:53 AM
Put the shovel down Curly......if you dig to much deeper the hole will turn into your grave
Fiero84Freak DEC 21, 08:32 AM

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Originally posted by madcurl:
I'll tell what I'll "Never get" is this; (Some) replica owners religiously believe that a Ferrari or lamborghini badge contains magical powers that can transform a poorly designed replica into the real thing and the result will blind everybody that looks upon it.



I don't think that's the case.

As I mentioned, the Mera isn't exactly the most accurate representation of the 308, although it does a good job with the original medium it is built upon. However, many Mera owners swapped out the MERA badges for 308 GTS replica badges. I don't think they did that originally out of any sort of "blinding" individuals or obtaining "magical powers." They did that to identify the car to what it's inspiration is. If I drove a Mera/Mera-based 308 replica, I wouldn't have any reservations on slapping 308 GTS badges all over it where they would be on the real thing.

Although I think the current Mera crowd seems rather displeased at the now lacking amount of original Mera badges that are available to them, since so many were lost when Ferrari insignia was swapped to them.
ferrobi DEC 21, 10:31 AM
Curly where have you been - out of town or something - missed you and you still missed what I posted last but I knew you would.

"Replicates Unite"
Dennis LaGrua DEC 21, 10:47 AM

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Originally posted by troyboy:

I want to see how hard I can push the f40, and if it can't hold I have a backup plan from over seas. For now we are talking to Magna and Bell. I only plan on running 6 to 7 psi



IIRC your stunning Fiero aleady has 760 HP. If you add boost you will be in the 900-1000 HP range or perhaps more. IMO this will severely place high stress on the frame, suspension and drivetrain of your modified Fiero. I would additionally be concerned on how you will put the power to the ground. I guess with enough mods anything is possible but a good amount of re-engineering is probably in order. BTW, hope that your health is restored soon. Feel better soon as many in the Fiero community really want to see your creation at the shows in 2012. That car of yours would really be a show stopper at Fieros/GM's at Carlisle next June.

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Archie DEC 21, 10:58 AM

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Originally posted by madcurl:
So, what you're saying is that any mentioning of a (REPLICA) regardless of it's (POOR CONSTRUCTION) made shouldn't be spoken, right?




I don't think that that's what he means......

Many "Non-Fiero" people hate the Fiero because some of them caught on Fire. They lump them together and assert that all Fieros are junk because a few of them had fire issues. We "Fiero People" have been fighting that myth for years.

You're doing the same thing. you are lumping all Replicas or kitcars together because some were poorly built...... you're doing the same thing as the the "Non-Fiero" people have done. You're assuming that because some Replicas or kitcars were poorly designed or built they all are junk.

I've seen many Replicas or kitcars that were built very well & are something to be proud of & I've seen some poorly done ones that I wouldn't be caught dead in.

Condeming all Fieros because some had fire issues, is like condeming all Replicas or kitcars because some were poorly done.

That's what you are doing, you condem all Replicas or kitcars because some have been poorly designed or poorly built.

Archie

BTW, I feel there is a difference between "Replicas" & "Kit Cars".

As in "all Horses are animals but not all animals are Horses".

All Replicas are kit cars but not all kit cars are replicas.

A
madcurl DEC 21, 11:13 AM

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Originally posted by DL10:

Put the shovel down Curly......if you dig to much deeper the hole will turn into your grave



Really, it would appear the other way around. If you count the cost in building a nearly 100% replica the grave that is being dug is the ones seeking to build a kit.



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Originally posted by No Bull:


So let's do some basic math and figure out what some common OEM parts would cost for a 100% accurate looking build:

Tail lights - $4000
Windshield - $3500
Side windows - $2000
Rear window - $1000
Side mirrors - $4000
Rims and tires - $8000
Seats - $4000
Interior trim items - $5000
Speedometer - $4000
Grilles - $3000

A quality OEM fiberglass body kit - $10,000

Now you need a custom frame - $6500 Engine and transmission (might as go for a BMW or Mercedes V12) since you want close to OEM - $10,000 Big brake and suspension kit - $6000

Now the little stuff - Brake lines, fuel tank, radiators, badges, nuts and bolts, paint - $15,000

If my math is correct, we are at $86,000 and there are no labor costs figured into this. It would be very easy to go over $100,000 with labor. I hope I'm painting a picture of why the cars must be built within reason.

They typically are not 100% accurate so donor parts from other cars can be used. Most of us want to use a $100 Nissan Maxima windshield instead of a $3000 OEM windshield and live with the slight variation that most people won't even notice. Sure it's slightly off but you save $2500 on that part and you can easily locate replacements when it develops a chip or crack. Because of this, the replica is built to accept a $100 windshield vs. the $3000 windshield and he sells more bodies to guys that can afford to build them.

My advice... if you have this kind of money to build a 100% accurate replica, buy the real thing. You'll be happier and you'll take a fraction of the loss on your investment.


http://kitcarforums.net/smf/index.php?topic=338.0




Do people count the cost when building replicas?

[This message has been edited by madcurl (edited 12-21-2011).]