quote Originally posted by MstangsBware: Damn it man--What took you so long to get here? I thought you had jumped ship like some other members and went into hiding. Edit: I know we have been in these same type Threads many of times. You should know by know what swap I have and what it runs. All I got is a little Ol' V-6 swapped in with some 93 octane.

I've been here. Just had no need to reply since I don't have a choptop. But since you brought up the speed/power issue of your swap to a V-8, I replied.
Sorry, I wasn't interested in your swap before, So I never paid attention to what you did or what your car runs.
Anyhow, After a quick search I found your swap and the thread with your last run.

I always find it humorous when people start comparing modified engines to basically stock engines. Adding $1000+ mods to an engine and then comparing it to an off-the-shelf engine is like comparing apples and oranges. I really don't get why folks say V-8's are "slow". They all run in the 12-13 second range with a basically stock normally aspirated engine in a 2800-3000 lbs vehicle. A stock 3800SC runs in the 13-14 range. The slowest SBC that has a time slip is 13.8 driven by someone who had no drag strip experience when he ran it. There is a 3800SC that ran a 14.5. Using YOUR logic, 3800SC's are "VERY slow".

You have modified your engine and are running 12.0. While it is great that you were able to modify and match/tune your engine for more power, It required modification to get there.
For all your hard work modifying and tuning, You are .3 seconds faster than an off-the-shelf basic carb'd SBC, Congrats!

Most SBC V-8 Fiero's are just your basic SBC. (not to mention that there are many versions of basic SBC's so the power output varies greatly as well.)
If we look at modified SBC's you have Tina who added only nitrous to a 383 SBC and is running mid 11's, Troy Richie did the same thing and got into mid 11's as well. Nick Wagoner modified his LS1 and has a dyno-proven 508hp. Yes, I know that 3800's can be modified for huge power as well. What FieroX has done is very, very impressive. I really hope next year we see him getting close to or into the 9-second range. I applaud all the work he has done and wish him well in his quest.

Cost of the swaps is a moot point. Swapping in a used low mileage engine will always cost less than buying a new crate engine. The mods you have done to your engine to get the power required to get into the 12 second range cost more than the basic kit to swap in an SBC.

Point is comparing a modified engine to a basically stock engine, Then calling the stock engine "slow" is pretty foolish.

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quote Originally posted by Oreif: I've been here. Just had no need to reply since I don't have a choptop. But since you brought up the speed/power issue of your swap to a V-8, I replied. Sorry, I wasn't interested in your swap before, So I never paid attention to what you did or what your car runs. Anyhow, After a quick search I found your swap and the thread with your last run. I always find it humorous when people start comparing modified engines to basically stock engines. Adding $1000+ mods to an engine and then comparing it to an off-the-shelf engine is like comparing apples and oranges. I really don't get why folks say V-8's are "slow". They all run in the 12-13 second range with a basically stock normally aspirated engine in a 2800-3000 lbs vehicle. A stock 3800SC runs in the 13-14 range. The slowest SBC that has a time slip is 13.8 driven by someone who had no drag strip experience when he ran it. There is a 3800SC that ran a 14.5. Using YOUR logic, 3800SC's are "VERY slow". You have modified your engine and are running 12.0. While it is great that you were able to modify and match/tune your engine for more power, It required modification to get there. For all your hard work modifying and tuning, You are .3 seconds faster than an off-the-shelf basic carb'd SBC, Congrats! Most SBC V-8 Fiero's are just your basic SBC. (not to mention that there are many versions of basic SBC's so the power output varies greatly as well.) If we look at modified SBC's you have Tina who added only nitrous to a 383 SBC and is running mid 11's, Troy Richie did the same thing and got into mid 11's as well. Nick Wagoner modified his LS1 and has a dyno-proven 508hp. Yes, I know that 3800's can be modified for huge power as well. What FieroX has done is very, very impressive. I really hope next year we see him getting close to or into the 9-second range. I applaud all the work he has done and wish him well in his quest. Cost of the swaps is a moot point. Swapping in a used low mileage engine will always cost less than buying a new crate engine. The mods you have done to your engine to get the power required to get into the 12 second range cost more than the basic kit to swap in an SBC. Point is comparing a modified engine to a basically stock engine, Then calling the stock engine "slow" is pretty foolish.

I like to compare it in this way. I used a Ol' junkyard engine/trans, bought all my parts second hand except the cam/springs and thru it all together with some "Popular Mechanic" tools I got for X-mas about 9 years ago. Which by the way, Popular Mechanics is now owned by Stanley if you need your tools warranted still. I have a total of around $3K in my total motor/trans setup give or take a little. So for 3K I put together a 12.0 daily driven car using a junkyard motor/trans with some go fast parts compared to the 10K or more for a V-8 swap. I will bet my junkyard motor will still be running strong long after the V-8 Fiero has been sold to its third owner. Maybe someone should try using low mileage LSX for there swaps to cut down on the cost for the customer, I mean its been proven with the 3800SC that junkyard motors run pretty damn good. I mean if we are comparing engines to engines with swaps then lets compare money spent versus money spent on a swap. If thats the case then I will have about 7K to spend on my swap to catch up to a V-8 swap done by the master.

We can talk about price of this, cost of that, this many MODs to run that but in the end it all boils down to:

Run what you brung!!!!!!

If a car runs slower than mine then it gets called slow. But if the owner is happy with how it runs and the times it runs then thats all that matters.


One more thing:

It doesn't matter if the car is only .3 seconds faster than yours, it's still faster and cost me alot less.

[This message has been edited by MstangsBware (edited 09-12-2008).]

[This message has been edited by Oreif (edited 09-12-2008).]