Five against one. Fair fight? Perhaps not. (Page 18/26)
Patrick JUN 05, 03:08 AM

Raydar, at the top of this page I responded to you in a respectful manner. (I don’t know why I bothered now.) You made absolutely no mention of anything I stated to you. Instead, you just gave me another shot. Fine, carry on...
Raydar JUN 05, 03:43 AM

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Originally posted by Patrick:
Raydar, at the top of this page I responded to you in a respectful manner. (I don’t know why I bothered now.) You made absolutely no mention of anything I stated to you. Instead, you just gave me another shot. Fine, carry on...



Yes. Yes you did. I posted just after you. That post was about the DNA thread that you felt the need to "kwrap up".

The thread that I quoted, that you responded to me about, sounded like a rather cold hearted cheap shot at Nick (whom I have never spoken with outside of this forum, but respect and admire greatly, nevertheless). If he took it as a joke, that's fine. It still pissed me off. But let's let that one particular phrase go for now. Shall we?

After rereading the rest of the thread in question, it appears to me that you were trying to give Nick the same snow job in that thread that you're trying to give us, here. Nick was just too polite to unload on you. That's his prerogative. Many of the rest of us are getting damned tired of you.

Just to refresh everyone else, I'll share another of your "gems" from the same thread.

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Originally posted by Patrick:
I’ve been away for a few days but I’ve now returned to clean up a few loose ends. It looks as though there’s at least one end here that needs a good wipe, and that end is attached to UDLOSE. I notice his latest contribution to this forum has it’s usual stink to it.


Nice visual. Thanks for that. Then you continued...


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Nick, I still think you’re a good guy (honest I do), but I don’t agree with very much (probably nothing) that you’ve stated in this thread. So much so, that it’s not worth the time or effort to debate it all...



"...that it’s not worth the time or effort to debate it all."

You condescending ass!
After kwrapping up the thread, you then have the nerve to imply (while seemingly looking down your nose) it's not worth your trouble to continue? But nevertheless, you do. (It appears to me that you enjoy hearing yourself talk.)

Thanks, yet again, for further illustrating my case.

[This message has been edited by Raydar (edited 06-05-2006).]

Patrick JUN 05, 04:05 AM

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Originally posted by Raydar:

Many of the rest of us are getting damned tired of you.




I had no idea you’ve been made an official spokesperson for others at this forum. Congratulations.


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Originally posted by Raydar:

Just to refresh everyone else, I'll share another of your "gems" from the same thread.




That’s really sweet of you, Raydar. You post my response to UDLOSE, but of course you don’t bother quoting his post which led to it, or acknowledge that there’s a history of his “obnoxious” (if I can borrow a term from you) posts in these forums.

You seem terribly concerned with what I say to others. More so than even they appear to be. Tell me, are there problems at home?


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Originally posted by Raydar:

It appears to me that you enjoy hearing yourself talk.




You must enjoy it as well, judging from how much you continue to try and bait me in this thread.
Formula88 JUN 05, 08:28 AM

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Originally posted by Patrick:


Interesting that this isn’t the first time that you’ve called me a troll. I did a short search and came up with an archived thread, divine DNA?.



When I'm right, I'm right.
jstricker JUN 05, 08:45 AM
I'm sorry if I don't take several hours and read through links to a thread 6 pages long where you said something in reference to Johnnyk and myself. I just don't have time. I also don't have time to go back through and re-read this thread and if I did have time, I'd put it to better use.

I made my post for one reason, Patrick, and that was to try to explain why people took offense to your post to begin with. That's all. No other reason.

Your first post was a simple, one line, ambiguous post. Whether you think you are or not, you're posts by and large are extremely left leaning whenever political subjects come up. Not always, the world isn't something that's absolute, but by and large.

When you make a one line amibiguous post, and you've been on a forum (or friends with someone) that knows your various leanings and general opinions, ambiguous posts are taken in a certain way, if you intended them to be or not. I didn't say that one's mind couldn't be changed, in fact I said I took you at your word after 3 pages of clarifications, but the initial understanding of the line was already there and to a large degree it was there because you left it there, Patrick.

You said "Just to keep some perspective on this, it was a pregnant teenage girl who was killed." That's it. Nothing more. From that we're supposed to get that you don't disagree with the ex-marine for defending himself, you agree the girl was wrong in trying to rob him, but that it was a tragedy that a teenage girl (believed pregnant at the time) was killed.

That's not a post, Patrick, that's a soundbite a politician would use so he could weasel out of it later.

In my opinion, you are a very left wing liberal. You may not be for Canada. You may not even be for New York. But in comparison to ME, you are a very left wing liberal. You believe in nationalized health insurance. You believe in abortion on demand. You believe in a strong welfare state. All of these are off of my memory and if I have them wrong please correct me and I'll apologize, I simply don't have time to sift through posts for an hour or more.

I also never said you ALWAYS bashed the US. I said "You rarely miss an opportunity to tell us poor dumb Americans how we're doing it wrong." And that's accurate. That's OK with me, we DO a lot of things wrong, but it does put your posts in a certain slant to the reader because you have been here a long time. If you want to avoid that, then I'd suggest actually posting responses (like the one you responded to me with) instead of soundbites. No, you're not supposed to ignore the US when mentioned in posts. You're not even supposed to agree with what goes on down here. You're missing the point. The point is that your years of responses have given people that have been here on the forum for a long time a definite idea of who you are based on them so when you write a one line ambiguous post don't be surprised if it's interpreted a certain way, as your post that started all this was.

What I meant when I wrote the BS line was it sounded a great deal like a politician trying to cover his a$$ and therefore, a load of BS. That doesn't mean it is, just that it sounds like it. You explained your intent and, as I said, I'll take you at your word on that. I respect what you have to say. Your posts are NORMALLY thought out and articulate. From time to time you throw out a one liner like you did here. Sometimes I think it's to get a controversey brewing, maybe it's just that you felt lazy that day.

When you throw a one line ambiguous post out there and you have a posting history, Patrick, people are going to interpret it in a certain way. You would too. It's how the human mind works. That doesn't mean the mind is closed, it means that the poster hasn't given the reader enough information to come to the correct understanding of what they're trying to say. Don't blame others for not properly interpreting a post in which you don't give enough information to understand what you meant.

John Stricker

John Stricker

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Originally posted by Patrick:


John, I’m aware of your political and religious leanings. However, I don’t pre-judge you to any great degree every time I read one of your posts. I hate to shock you, but I actually respect what you have to say. Knowing what your stand has been on certain issues in the past may help explain why you post what you do, but honestly, it doesn’t preclude me from appreciating what you currently post in this forum.
BN Boomer JUN 05, 11:56 AM

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Originally posted by jstricker:
You believe in abortion on demand.



I'd like Pat to confirm or deny this.
Raydar JUN 05, 12:15 PM

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Originally posted by Patrick:
I had no idea you’ve been made an official spokesperson for others at this forum.



Never claimed to be. Read the other responses. It's quite obvious (without those blinders) that many people other than myself are tired of you. I'd ask you to get a clue, but I'm certain that you already know, and just don't care.

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jstricker JUN 05, 01:06 PM
Just remember that those were Patrick's stance AS BEST AS I REMEMBER THEM If my memory is in error, Patrick, I'll be more than happy to correct/remove anything that's in error and apologize in advance.

John Stricker

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Originally posted by BN Boomer:


I'd like Pat to confirm or deny this.
Patrick JUN 05, 04:43 PM

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Originally posted by Formula88:

When I'm right, I'm right.




And apparently when I’m left, I’m left. What’s your point?


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Originally posted by Formula88:

I've voiced my opinion of the facts of this case. I'm done.




Yeah, "right" again...
Patrick JUN 05, 04:56 PM

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Originally posted by BN Boomer:

I'd like Pat to confirm or deny this.




Cliff does an outstanding job archiving forum threads, and the Search function here works well.

I have no idea what “abortion on demand” has to do with this thread, but you should have no trouble finding out my opinions on such matters if it's really bothering you.