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Toddster JUL 10, 06:41 PM

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Originally posted by G-Nasty:

blah blah blah
various personal insults
yada yada yada
ignorance disquised as wisdom
yak yak yak
oh I love the sound of my own voice.



Is is just me Nasty or is your rating bar twice as red as the last time you took me on?

Run along. What you can contribute to a discussion on economics and fiscal policy I can find in the "little red book".

Toddster JUL 10, 06:57 PM

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Originally posted by JazzMan:

Ah, it all becomes clear now. I see that making the wealthy even wealthier beyond even their greediest fantasies helps us all. I look around and see so many of my friends making half or less than what they were making 5 years ago, some not making anything because the only jobs out there are McJobs and oddly my friends with their engineering and technology degrees aren't willing to work for$4.50 an hour. I see a relatively stagnant economy where the main growth is in the service industries (food service, janitorial service, etc) that all pay below-subsistance wages with no health insurance and therefor no affordable access to health care. In my state one out of 4, that's 24%, of every single man, woman, and child has no health insurance. None.

Sorry, I ramble. I don't know where these people crawl out of the woodwork from, with their text-book fantasies on the economy. I can only surmise that they must be living outside of the economy, like the economics professor being interviewed on a local radio show earlier this week who made the comment that "job churn" and the ability to "...destroy jobs..." was good for our economy. This man obviously spoke from a position of job security (tenured professor) and high income, and most likely never in his life had to make the hard choice between paying rent or eating.

And Toddster, what I said earlier still stands. No new jobs are created unless there is some reason to create them. The new jobs that are being created are almost entirely all bottom end jobs that don't pay enough to live on, don't pay enough for medical care access through insurance, and don't pay enough for education or retirement savings. And if you took all of the tax cuts back that the deserter handed out to the wealthy elite it would be a bit more than the 4 cents you so handily worked out above. I don't know why you are so against the people who have benefitted the most from this country's economy being asked to give something back. It just doesn't make sense why someone who is as apparently educated as you would be in support of companies like Wachovia who not only didn't pay any taxes on their profit of 3.6 billion dollars in 2002, received a refund (of my tax dollars) of 159 million dollars. I know that you don't believe that squirreling away taxable income into illegal offshore tax shelters (that is what they are, right? Illegal? Tax shelters?) is good for this country, and I know that you want to stop this as much as I do, right? You don't hide income and avoid paying your fair share of taxes, do you, Toddster?

JazzMan



In deference to your green bar and articulate post I will reply.

Jazz, how many "rich" people do you know? I mean REALLY rich, not, "I own the local 7-11, rich", I mean, "I own ALL 7-11's, rich"? I know several of them and I can tell you that your total miscomprehension of the type of people that they are is mind boggling. You seem to have seen some picture of a 19th Century Robber Baron and have now "LABELED" all rich people with that image despite the fact that the SEC, monoply laws, trade unions, etc. have ALL dramatically changed the face of business in the last Century.

what difference does it make to YOU if the rich are rich as long as you have the same opportunities that they get? And don't BS me with this crap about you not having the same opportunities because of all the rich people I know I can tell you one thing, almost ALL of them came from dirt poor backgrounds and MADE their wealth.

Just as I AM currently creating my own wealth...with the sweat of my labors, my drive, and my wits. And you do not need to remind me that no new jobs are created unless there is some reason to create them. If you re-read my post you sill see that investing in business DOES create them, and I am not talking about bottom feeder jobs, i am talking about skilled jobs. For God's sake man just open the classified!!!!! I see skilled positions all over the frickin' country BEGGING to be filled and no-one is there to fill them because nobody has the skills. the problem isn't the jobs, it's ignorant fools who don't have the education to fill them going around telling US hard working educated people that WE are the problem and that we undervalue the efforts of burger flippers.

You're disappointed? Well get off your "Burger Flippers Unite" soap box and go get and education! You think you are the only person who has had to change careers in mid-stream? Got news for you , I've done it recently and I haven't had an easy time of it to be sure! But I am not bitching. I just work harder because I KNOW that with the right opportunities hard workers will prosper.

84Bill JUL 10, 07:24 PM

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Originally posted by Toddster:
Is is just me Nasty or is your rating bar twice as red as the last time you took me on?

Run along. What you can contribute to a discussion on economics and fiscal policy I can find in the "little red book".


Not that ratings really mean anything... he still has a green in my books. I'm less inclined to support him 100% at present because I am a little gunshy at the moment.. Not G's fault mind you.

Anyway what G is saying makes sense. Much like my resonse to Steve Normington / I'm Backs argument in the the Job growth by president thread.



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Originally posted by I'm Back:
"What is wrong with those numbers? People earning $1M per year are paying more taxes to begin with than the average middle-class people. The $1M taxpayer pays $346,675 in base taxes."
People who earn $1M/yr are most likely multimillionaires, and they likely pay very little in taxes, especially when you factor in the rate of taxes based upon their gross income. These people have accountants ensure they pay little in taxes.
"The $50,000 (my number for the average taxpayer) pays $10,125 in base taxes."
I doubt the average person earns 50k/yr. It's likely 25 -30k/yr.
"So the $1M person gets a 0.8% to 1.4% tax rebate and the $50K person gets a 2.9% tax rebate."
Nice thought if you live in a vacuum. You're not factoring in any other variables such as ability to write off.

Let's all join Steve and bow our heads in sympathy for the rich.


My Reply was.


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Originally posted by 84Bill:
Can I just hold out my hand and say omms instead?

Obviously I have done that and took alot of crap from ALOT of people for doing it... What kind of message are we sending??

There was a movie I saw once where this machine was blown up.. It then revealed an ALIEN who was running for president and the pic on the wall behind it that once said Support Blaa Blaa for President later said OBEY

I wish I could find it.

Toddster JUL 10, 07:30 PM

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Originally posted by 84Bill:

Not that ratings really mean anything... he still has a green in my books. I'm less inclined to support him 100% at present because I am a little gunshy at the moment.. Not G's fault mind you.

Anyway what G is saying makes sense. Much like my resonse to Steve Normington / I'm Backs argument in the the Job growth by president thread.


I read some of the job groeth thread and lost interest in posting for two reasons. One, it is pure political crap and NOTING will convince I'm Back that he is clueless. Two, trying to explain that job growth is NOT a political measure and is related EXCLUSIVELY to the business cycle is a waste of breath since I'm Back will find some BS to refute it.

Just decided not to waste my time explaining reality to him when he wants to live in the myopic world of "I MUST FIND SOME DIRT ON BUSH NO MATTER WHAT IT TAKES OR HOW I HAVE TO INTERPRET THE FACTS!"
84Bill JUL 10, 07:33 PM

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Originally posted by Toddster:
I read some of the job groeth thread and lost interest in posting for two reasons. One, it is pure political crap and NOTING will convince I'm Back that he is clueless. Two, trying to explain that job growth is NOT a political measure and is related EXCLUSIVELY to the business cycle is a waste of breath since I'm Back will find some BS to refute it.
Just decided not to waste my time explaining reality to him when he wants to live in the myopic world of "I MUST FIND SOME DIRT ON BUSH NO MATTER WHAT IT TAKES OR HOW I HAVE TO INTERPRET THE FACTS!"

I'll buy that.
Just don't give up on me though. He is a stubborn muthahumper and he really is standing on the wrong side.
So I need to recalibrate a bit... if you would not mind providing some places where I could get the fact, I'd appriciate it.

To put it more bluntly... I don't trust his judgement any longer.

However, the fact remains as I stated... Hold out my hand and say omms or be a slave or just die?


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lurker JUL 10, 07:37 PM

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Originally posted by 84Bill:
There was a movie I saw once where this machine was blown up.. It then revealed an ALIEN who was running for president and the pic on the wall behind it that once said Support Blaa Blaa for President later said OBEY

I wish I could find it.



"they live" with roddy piper
truly great conspiracy flick

"marry and reproduce" was my favorite billboard in that movie.

I'm Back JUL 10, 08:19 PM

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Originally posted by Toddster:

Run along. What you can contribute to a discussion on economics and fiscal policy I can find in the "little red book".



"Is is just me Nasty or is your rating bar twice as red as the last time you took me on?"

That's your best/only argument

Nasty is 10x as intelligent as you, toadlicker.

Hmmm, so if I visit a more liberal forum with a rating system and achieve a highly positive rating, does that mean I'm more correct? And you dare call the liberals a bunch of lemmings?

I'm Back JUL 10, 08:41 PM

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Originally posted by Toddster:


I read some of the job groeth thread and lost interest in posting for two reasons.



"One, it is pure political crap and NOTING will convince I'm Back that he is clueless."

K, well then answer my questions chicken little.

"Two, trying to explain that job growth is NOT a political measure and is related EXCLUSIVELY to the business cycle is a waste of breath since I'm Back will find some BS to refute it."

Why does the crux of your argument revolve around me and not the issue at hand? And job growth is correlated with politics and you know it.

"Just decided not to waste my time explaining reality to him when he wants to live in the myopic world of "I MUST FIND SOME DIRT ON BUSH NO MATTER WHAT IT TAKES OR HOW I HAVE TO INTERPRET THE FACTS!""

Do I need to go back and cut-n-paste em for ya? Duck and run little toady......duck and run.

84Bill JUL 10, 08:50 PM

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Originally posted by EDsB52:
"Is is just me Nasty or is your rating bar twice as red as the last time you took me on?"

That's your best/only argument

Nasty is 10x as intelligent as you, toadlicker.

Hmmm, so if I visit a more liberal forum with a rating system and achieve a highly positive rating, does that mean I'm more correct? And you dare call the liberals a bunch of lemmings?



Toadlicker?
Jeaz man... started with the personal crap already?

Bushlicker maybe but defintaly not a toadlicker. Atleast keep it within the context of the person...
Not that there is anything wrong with bushlicking if you are into that sort of stuff.

Stop being a Richardlicker for a change will ya EdsB52.

84Bill JUL 10, 11:26 PM

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Originally posted by lurker:

"they live" with roddy piper
truly great conspiracy flick

"marry and reproduce" was my favorite billboard in that movie.


Yeah.. Thats the one!

LMAO!!
I was doing a search for "They Live" on Google and look what I found LOL!!

http://www.davidicke.net/theylive/theylive.html

Check out the Oval office and THE POPPY PARTY

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