Archie's chop's/Mikes windows results. (Page 17/31)
madcurl AUG 27, 01:37 AM

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Originally posted by jmbishop:

I'm not a part of any group. How is tagging along with Will to go knock on Loydes door going to outweigh anything? Will and Loyde are big boys and we are not there parents. I have no doubt Will is going to get his car back and there is nothing anyone can do anything to make it go faster unless for some reason Will doesn't have the time, If thats the case then he can buy some of my time.



God help if I'm ever stranded in TX with one of my cars. I'll be like that guy who was left to die in the movie "Platoon" with his arms stretched out to the heavens.
pumpkincarriage AUG 27, 01:55 AM
If Stephen or Jim pulls up to Loyde's house with a trailer to pick up Will's car that is theft. Why would they do that? Don't you think there is more to the story if Will (as the rightful owner) has not done this himself? As Stephen said, Will knows where Loyde lives. Maybe people shouldn't be placing blame where no blame is due?

I don't really see why any of us who know Loyde or know where he lives should have to 'redeem' ourselves to anyone else here because of that association. Did we personally benefit from Loyde taking people's money? I can assure you that Loyde did not throw us a big party with those proceeds. As I mentioned before, on a few occasions when someone has shown up to a club meeting looking to contact Loyde we, as a club, have done as much as was reasonably possible to assist that person. None of us can call up Loyde and schedule a get together, all we can do it go by his house and snoop around if he isn't there.

As far as the uneven roofs go, I have pictures where the flaw is visible... I took the pictures as a reference so if one day I were able to afford a chop I would be able to show what I didn't want. I could post these pictures over and over again, but like Stephen said, it is hard to see in pictures... it's there if you're looking for it but the majority of you would never admit it even if it were plain as day so it's really not worth my trouble. As far as I can tell the only reason the issue was even brought up was that someone insinuated Mike's work was of a lesser quality than Archie's work. And as far as chops go that is simply not the case, everyone who has seen both agrees with that.

Personally, I'm going to tape trashbags to the windows of my chop... just to be sure I don't get on anyone's bad side.

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madcurl AUG 27, 02:12 AM

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Originally posted by pumpkincarriage:

If Stephen or Jim pulls up to Loyde's house with a trailer to pick up Will's car that is theft. Why would they do that? Don't you think there is more to the story if Will (as the rightful owner) has not done this himself? As Stephen said, Will knows where Loyde lives. Maybe people shouldn't be placing blame where no blame is due?


The key point here is "aid" and if Will-Martin is there with someone that isn't theft. Those who are close or live nearby could help smooth this transition by a pre-arranged date by talking to Lloyd, setting aside time for pick-up.
jmbishop AUG 27, 02:22 AM
Its obvious you don't understand. There are no contacts or connections that any of us have that Will doesn't. I'm done playing your mudslinging game. If I want to do Something dirty it will be with the opposite sex. State facts with evidence to support them in the appropriate place if you plan to keep this debate going.
DL10 AUG 27, 09:05 AM

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Originally posted by jmbishop:

Its obvious you don't understand. There are no contacts or connections that any of us have that Will doesn't. I'm done playing your mudslinging game. .


So that's why you started another thread about it................

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jmbishop AUG 27, 09:26 AM
The new thread is the appropriate place to discus the possibility of uneven chops, not for bashing.
DL10 AUG 27, 10:06 AM

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Originally posted by jmbishop:

The new thread is the appropriate place to discus the possibility of uneven chops, not for bashing.



That's funny .........but I’ve got $50 that says your new thread hits the trashcan because the thread was started for the purpose of bashing someone's work.
blakeinspace AUG 27, 01:59 PM

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Originally posted by Archie:
On topic #2, Some respond that I've bashed the NTFC. Sorry guys, I never mentioned NTFC, you did. However, it's interesting to note that there is no one that has denied that they have access to Loyde. I'm not the only one who's noticed that a small circle of people around Loyde have been very quiet in the "Can't get my parts from Loyde" threads. One guy even says that using their contact with Loyde to help out his customers would not be right. Somehow I think that if I had taken 100% down payments in the $16K area each from 6 or 8 people & had not delivered in 2 or 3 years on projects that had been 100% paid for in advance, these same people would be right up front screaming for justice. But not a peep from them when their buddy is the one everyone is trying to get ahold of.

"Methinks the lady doth protest too much" whole lotta complaining from people from NTFC claiming that I insulted the club, when I never said a word about them. Kinda looks like I hit a nerve with a few people running that club. Almost so over sensitive that they read NTFC, when all I said was a few people in TX.

Archie




Archie... don't mince words, you don't have to. From your earlier post... When you say you TX Fiero people (ie... a CLUB) gather together (ie... MEET) around there (ie... DFW)... it is painfully obvious what you are trying to say but tactfully avoiding. Why do that?
I'll tell you why. It is because you are 100% wrong.

Now if you want to call out individuals... then do so. Just Don't drag my club into it.

“the lady doth protest too much.”

Well, what kind of lady would I be if I didn’t protest at all?

Man, you could not be more off base on this. You implied TX members gathering to laugh at other people’s trouble. Regardless of club, or state, or vehicle type… that whole image is deplorably despicable, and I don’t appreciate you for jokingly or not, insinuating that that is what we do. That is just wrong.

Do you get a thrill when you read someone has trouble with Chris or WCF?
Goose flesh when PR gets behind on having mounts in stock?
Warm & Fuzzy when AusFiero had trouble getting product made or shipped to the US?

Well, Neither do we.

So what exactly is the role of a local club in vendor/customer trouble?

How about “NONE.”

Like I mentioned earlier, I would no more expect the BOD of NIFE to intercede on behalf of an upset Archie customer, than I would expect for you to ask the club to make right a trouble with a NIFE member and you, as the vendor, were the wronged party.

The function of a club is not to make sure satisfaction is found amongst two contracting parties. In this age of an overly litigious society, can you imagine the legal ramifications and the liability risk that a club might face for trying to take action for either party? I can’t think of any club that would do that…

But damn the legal issue… Let’s just say that you honestly think that it is a club… or even a local citizens’… responsibility to intercede on a contractual dispute that they had no association with… other than just mere bodily proximity .

(scenario): You (not you Archie… just ‘you’ anyone) walk onto a person’s property uninvited.
You are TRESPASSING. Now you have exposed yourself to Criminal activity.
Repeated phone calls on a situation that does not involve you can be HARASSMENT.
Just mentioning it verbally might be construed as SLANDER. Typing about it on the internet might be considered LIBEL.

And you wonder WHY someone is silent in a thread?

“But Blake… you can’t honestly believe that stating facts in a thread is Libel. Or visiting someone is Trespass.” No… I don’t, but it really doesn’t matter what I think if someone angry enough hauls my butt or me as a President of a club to court to try and prove my stance. I can barely afford gas, much less a lawyer…

But wait, there’s more… as if Legel ramifications or a Criminal record weren’t incentive enough to keep your nose out of someone elses business… my state has something called the ‘Castle Law.’ Loosely, it means that a property owner has the right to defend his or her home and property by any means necessary. Including lethal force.

“But Blake… you can’t honestly thing that someone would shoot you for walking around their property.” No,… I don’t… but weighing an already upset person’s mood (as most contracts gone bad usually have angry people) versus my life is a no brainer. It ain’t gonna happen.

Now if local buddy Will, or any visitor to my fair state, asked me to come along as moral support or load a vehicle or somesuch while they try to resolve an unenviable task. Well, I’d not sleep right at night if I said “no.” But taking action independent and with disregard to existing laws and dispute resolution channels is not my, not yours, not any club’s responsibility. Ever.

Just give me one more second of latitude here… 2 examples of why what you say is so ridiculous.

1) Is it Andrew’s (F-I-E-R-O) neighbors’ or his church’s responsibility to try and force him to make badges as someone in The Mall suggested? (I understand desperate times require yadda yadda… but that is absurd!)
2) Is it Ed Park’s place to force MsLori to finish her window project or refund the money? You know the answer.

In all cases, it is up to the contracting parties to meet the terms and obligations. If not, it is up to the courts to find satisfaction.

Not your neighbor. Not your boss. Not a proximity located body. Not a club.

-edit- typos and left out a question mark

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Archie AUG 27, 03:15 PM

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Originally posted by blakeinspace:


Archie... don't mince words, you don't have to. From your earlier post... When you say you TX Fiero people (ie... a CLUB) gather together (ie... MEET) around there (ie... DFW)... it is painfully obvious what you are trying to say but tactfully avoiding. Why do that?
I'll tell you why. It is because you are 100% wrong.



I'm not quoting your whole statement but I have read it all. Since I'm not quoting it, you can go back & edit it so you don't mis represent your Club anymore than you already have.

You're the one who is 100% wrong. I didn't mince words because I wasn't talking about a club protecting Loyde or hanging out with Loyde. It's you guys that keep trying to get your club name into this. It's getting pretty obvious now that some of these people must be club members or maybe even officers. But to be honest with you, before this came up, I didn't even know nor did I care who the members were or who the officers are & I still don't care. You need to realize that I didn't call the guys I was talking to/about a "Club" I simply asked if they got together at Loydes & laughed about people who were getting screwed by Loyde. All Clubs are groups but not all groups are Clubs. When a few people get together to visit with each other, it's not a Club meeting even if they all happen to be members of the same Club.

Remember it's one of your members (mustangwhatever) who implied that he had good enough access to Loyde's that he could get dimensions off of Will's car.

If you go back & read what was said, You'll see that I never asked anyone to go into Loydes & take a car. The idea was at the time, was that if mustang could get into Loydes to pull the car out of the weeds & get data off of the car then why not have Will arrainge to show up at the same time to pickup his car. No more no less. You guys are the ones who are trying to make this appear that we're advocating that someone go in there & steel a car or to take any action other than helping someone make make a connection with Loyde to pick up his car. A connection which Loyde had already agreed to with Will, but had failed to show up at the agreed time.

You should go back & read the thread again & try not to read into the thread something that wasn't said.

You've dragged everyone like Ed & Andrew & WCF etc. into this thread because you decided that what I originally said was something ither than what I actually typed. You jumped to a conclusion that I was talking about your whole club by putting different words to 3 items I said. You jumped to the wrong conclusion with no basis in fact & now have dragged in other vendors & a bunch of other junk. I don't even know all of the officers of NIFE, why would I (or any one else outside of TX) even care who is a member of your club?

Archie
blakeinspace AUG 27, 03:47 PM
to Archie:

Obviously I read the thread several times.
Hopefully it was obvious about my reply that I felt very strongly about the issue, and I tried to make several relevant examples.
I'd be curious your thoughts on the examples I provided... I thought it would make good & pertinant discussion, but really, I was just trying to make a point.

Anywho...
Since you are claiming that what you typed is not implicating NTFC as a club on a rather distasteful matter, then I am wholly satisfied.

thanks for the clarification.

-blake

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