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pokeyfiero MAY 26, 04:16 PM

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Originally posted by 84Bill:

Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual. - Thomas Jefferson



You often use quotes like these to bring heavy support and add righteousness to your beliefs. You must be able to prove a tyrants will has become law and keep in mind the rights of the individual must be kept within limit of the equal rights of others. You can't do it alone.
I believe you are not a serious man looking for a change for the better for all so much as you are a read man using what you find to defend what you want and don't want to do.

I believe such words as you quoted were written for the serious man. Men not in need of laws to guide them in what is right and wrong. I doubt I would find these kind of men using drugs or promoting their use not because they don't believe it is their right to do so if they wished but because it would be detrimental for a leader of men and the people that counted on them.

Men like these would die in the protection of your rights but be cautious not to thank them for helping you. You may find they would want to kill you for assuming they were helping you..

84Bill MAY 26, 04:44 PM
Well I cant argue about my righteous indignation toward law however the the passage of the law was not done with any consideration to what I feel is moral or for that matter immoral or my rights.

It is an arbitrary assumption which makes me criminal without provding proof that I as a soverign citizen entitled to rights have perpetrated a grievous transgression upon the rights of another when there is none. If I am to be tried there must be an individual complaintant who must stand and make a claim of injury.. There are none. There is however the state representitive which stands in place of the aggrieved who was never whitness to an alleged crime perpetrated by me. This third party has no interest in my rights but instead has vested interest in laws which subvert them and uses only that as arbitration. I have no quarter, no protection and no defence. My rights are not even a consideration.

If I were to ask the nature of the grievence I would be given a cite code, this is not a complaint but straight out admonishment.. but for what? What damages were incured by my possesing granet rock or a coccaine rock, I did nothing, I did not hurl it at anyone, I did not force it upon anyone, what is my crime, what is the damage I am guilty of commiting toward another individual and where is this accusor that I may look upon him as it my right? All demands for my defence fall upon deff ears. The sad fact of the matter is I stand in court and this is nothing more than show and tell or going thtough the motions.. literally motions! I can bind the law to law but I can not call into play my rights or even mention my rights, I cant even call for redress of them, I cant even mention the word Constitution because it has no bearing, no weight and afford no protection.

Basicly I'm f*cked six ways to sunday and all I can hope for is to wear down the syatem with a morass of paperwork and use the mirriad of laws against itself until the judge just gives up or I just give up. The judicial system has been altered to sutit the system and not the individual or rather the democracy and not the constitutional rights which protect me for them.
pokeyfiero MAY 26, 04:55 PM
Easy way out Bill.

People that don't know there is a problem don't deserve to have it fixed. You know. But you are not willing to fight for it so you don't deserve it either.

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84Bill MAY 26, 04:58 PM

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Originally posted by pokeyfiero:

Easy way out Bill.

People that don't know there is a problem don't deserve to have it fixed. You know. But you are not willing to fight for it so you don't deserve it either.





How do you mean?
84Bill MAY 26, 05:01 PM
Your arent trying to insinuate I take a gun and start throwing slugs are you? If thats the case that is indeed a fools errend and the cause would meet with utter failure.
pokeyfiero MAY 26, 05:21 PM

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Originally posted by 84Bill:

Your arent trying to insinuate I take a gun and start throwing slugs are you? If thats the case that is indeed a fools errend and the cause would meet with utter failure.




I'm saying that I agree there is a need for change. A lot of need.
I'm saying if you are really interested in getting to this change maybe you should consider the most effecient way to do this. I think about it all the time and reevaluate the way I do things.
I am saying you are not understanding that the way you are doing things doesn't really help or you are just using this as an excuse to do nothing while feeling you are being persecuted.

As far as the slugs go I'm not saying don't be ready and willing. I am saying not to do it alone when and if it needs to be done.
84Bill MAY 26, 05:26 PM

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Originally posted by pokeyfiero:
I'm saying that I agree there is a need for change. A lot of need.
I'm saying if you are really interested in getting to this change maybe you should consider the most effecient way to do this. I think about it all the time and reevaluate the way I do things.
I am saying you are not understanding that the way you are doing things doesn't really help or you are just using this as an excuse to do nothing while feeling you are being persecuted.

As far as the slugs go I'm not saying don't be ready and willing. I am saying not to do it alone when and if it needs to be done.




Well you run that way and I'll run this way and we will confuse the man just long enough for one of us to kick him in the shins.. Thats my idea.. whats yours?
pokeyfiero MAY 26, 05:36 PM

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Originally posted by 84Bill:
Well you run that way and I'll run this way and we will confuse the man just long enough for one of us to kick him in the shins.. Thats my idea.. whats yours?


Not to lose.


I live well and get what I want. I see no reason for any intelligent man to not get what he wants out of life. I fight more for the people that can't get what they want than I do for myself.
We were not all given the same gifts but for me being a part of society means showing others how to get what they want out of life. That isn't a liberal veiw. I want this to make a better place for me to be and for better people for me to be around.
84Bill MAY 26, 05:45 PM
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Fastback 86 MAY 28, 03:26 PM

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Originally posted by 84Bill:


Very ammusing since I also had this very same discussion with Kloddster and he was defending law as well.
I'll see if I can find it in the archives.

Back to your assertions.
My response to Kiddsters claims were the words of one of this countries founders and an alleged realitive.. I found that claim to be preposterous..

Anyway, lets see how you will fare with the same retort.

Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual. - Thomas Jefferson




The quote changes nothing. We're still not having the same argument, Bill. You're arguing principle against my facts. Believe it or not, I agree with your principle. But, from the start, all I have been arguing is fact. And the facts have not changed. It is a fact that possession and use of drugs is illegal in this country. It is a fact that, if you use drugs, you are breaking the law (which you have admitted to). It is a fact that you are not a lawyer, lawmaker, judge or historian and therefore not an authority on Constitutional law (though you are well-read). Whether you like or agree with any of the above is irrelevant to the facts, because what you, personally, like or agree with is subjective and not bound by the facts.