Moslems & atheist queers ,slam famous combat general (Page 16/21)
aceman FEB 05, 10:52 PM

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Originally posted by Gridlock:

Try again.

It has to do with muslims(which the last time I checked, weren't white) and the gay community.

It then expanded in terms of the excuses made for Stan to include illegal immigrants.

Nice try though.



What color is a Muslim? (Caucasoid, Negroid or Mongoloid?)

What color is a Christian? (Caucasoid, Negroid or Mongoloid?)

What color is a Jew? (Caucasoid, Negroid or Mongoloid?)

What color is a Hindu? (Caucasoid, Negroid or Mongoloid?)

My assumption with Stan is that when he references "Moslems", he's lumping all Muslims into Islamic Extremist with loyalties to the Middle Eastern countries and their extremist ideologies. Same with illegal immigrants. Bigotry stems from a bad reference point with people in the past. We all have bigotry and prejudicial views. It's how we manage those views in our lives.

I have no time in the day nor trust in any Muslim with rooted ties to the Middle East. My viewpoint. My prejudice.

My father-in-law is probably rolling in his grave knowing that his grandsons are friends with and have dated Hmong immigrants in my neighborhood. He hated visiting us because of the large population of Hmong in my suburb.

Please, correct me if I'm off-base here, Maryjane.... What goes through your mind if you have to deal with a Hmong immigrant? My bet is at the very least, in your mind your voicing ethnic slurs of hate. You may even voice your opinion out loud. It may only be out loud to your immediate family or closet friends. It's all on how one manages their prejudices.

At least one knows where Stan stands. To me that's a bit better than closeted bigots who are in denial of their prejudices. And like it or not, in many cases Stan's right on or not far off target of reality with many of his statements.
theBDub FEB 05, 10:57 PM
I'm usually in agreement with "The Cool Kids" (as Boonie would say ), but I hate the hate. I don't have Stan rated, but I wouldn't care if he were banned. Posts like this just aren't okay... I've made a worse post than this before though, and it included a larger group of people. That's why I can't really give out a negative over this.

I am kinda surprised at the ferocity of all sides on this subject. I usually don't read his posts because they are so hard to understand. I guess that's why I don't feel that strongly about it.
Gridlock FEB 05, 10:59 PM
Every post I have made from page 1-3. Scroll up for page 4.

Find the hate.

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Well...here's another member that is getting sick of his **** . I'm not getting used to it, and I don't think he means well.



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ONE MORE TIME? Ok.

THIS ISN'T 'AMERICA'!!!! This is a privately owned website, owned and operated by a person that isn't even American with a server located stateside.

Your constitution is meaningless in this case.

OH! So that takes care of one half of this thread. Here's the other half. I would more than love to ignore his bs posts, and do when they are in a thread and he pops up and gives his whatever opinion. I opened this crap specifically because I don't even want to look at the thread title on the screen, let alone his wonderful follow up to the title.

And just to finish off anything else that remains: just because he's a vet, does not make him a god. The only thing that would make this remotely understandable is if he took a bullet to the head during duty, not just because he showed up for duty.



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OK, maybe we can't find racism i the first lines, I'm not even sure because his posts aren't in english, but I consider the term "athiest queers" to be bigoted and offensive. Especially considering I know of one gay member of the board.

So despite all the wonderful excuses how "illegals have caused him personal harm, he just hates illegals(which btw, muslims can be legal immigrants) this is america and he's entitled to his opinion and he's a vet", so he just deserves respect on that front, should the primary goal of a forum such as this not be to be inclusive of all members?

He may be entitled to his opinion, but I don't think he should be entitled to share it on all occasions.



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It's funny you can't read as I was providing a list of all the excuses that people have used for him in this thread.

You people really are only interested in reading what you want to see.

I wrote that as a questioning statement, as in "should the goal", not "the goal" as in if Cliff wants to post in this thread saying, "no, the goal of this forum is to be exclusive of white middle class folks from Canada" then that is his prerogative. I pack up and you guys can be Canada free. I don't get the sense that he feels that way, so I'm safe for another day. Given that he himself as posted about racist rants, I *think* he's a bit more towards the "let's have an inclusive community" as opposed to "inclusive of all the colors and lifestyles we choose appropriate"

I'm adding that given that there is at least 1 openly gay member, we don't need to talk in abstracts-we can talk about specifics. Do we want a forum where a member should feel less of himself, unwanted, harassed or hated so one racist bigot can feel good about himself that he got to express his opinion?

And yes, I will go so far as to suggest banning as an option. If you can't curtail the racist and bigoted views to the point where you can have a discussion in public, then yeah, maybe banning is the way to go.



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LOL. A little tool to keep in your back pocket. A "get out of racist jams free" card.



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Awesome. Let me drive that home for you.

Freedom of speech, and the rights to your opinion is not a weapon that you should freely use to beat people with. Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you HAVE to.

Therefore, I fully believe that he is entitled to his opinion. I truly do. I also believe he is entitled to stick it up his ass and shut up on a public forum. I think that's something that anyone can do. Just because he has an opinion that is offensive to people, rude, crude and really not helpful to many conversations doesn't mean he needs to share it all the time, does it?



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Yes, the post is for sure more offensive on the basis of bigotry, not racism. There may be a racist rant in his original post, I just can't understand what he's saying to know if there is or not.

For people that are looking to provide more excuses for Stan, I don't think he means "hey, I f'ing love these guys!" when you combine the word moslem with "athiest queers"

I think the best post in this thread is the one that descibes the double standard of as long as he doesn't offend your personal group, its ok.

In my mind, providing an acceptable outlet for bigotry and hate and general offense to people is as bad as being that yourself, or saying it with your own mouth, or writing.

Read closely, because that's not a knock on Cliff, that's a knock on every bigoted member of this forum(of which there are many) saying, "oh, its just Stan"

I've been a member since 2002. That's 10 years I've been logging into PFF off and on, and for the last 8 I haven't even owned a Fiero. I took a break for a few years, and come back and notice a significantly more negative tone in O.T. Maybe its the fact that a lot of other people have already left? I don't know. I do know that right now, I don't really want to post here, or read excuses for hate like its acceptable.

This isn't a "poor me" statement at all. I guess I'm just putting out there that if this is the level of acceptability for statements such as this, then I guess I'm left to vote with my feet and actions.



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I don't get the impression that he just hates the illegal ones. I get the impression that he hates them all.

You people tell me how "queer trash and moslem scum" can be read in any other way than hate inspired?

This "he hates illegals" thing is just another method of creating an excuse. Fail. Try again.



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Ok, let's not even get bogged down in the racist side.

There is at least one gay member here that I know of(and probably more if stats hold-I don't know, do we have a lot of republican congressmen on the forum?) that gets to read about how he's a child molester.

"because athiest,child moslesting queers"

I can't even begin to start dissecting his post, and what is right and wrong about it. I don't want to. It's crap.

Fine, I'll leave out the "I get the impression bs" part and make a clear and easy to follow statement: It's hate filled.

And after 3 pages, I'm left with the feeling that this **** is accepted in this membership. Is that true, or false. If its false, then do something about it.

I vote to ban Uhlanstan from the forum.

I ask others that agree to join.

Today, here and now, make a stand that despite personal feelings on whatever subject, we as a group will not tolerate racist, bigoted or prejudiced remarks from members of the forum.

And Cliff, I ask that this become a policy of the forum. I ask that this go above the rating system. I don't think a "majority rules" system, ie. ratings will achieve the desired result. I really think we should do something to make sure that ANY member be welcome.



I have nothing against this member on a personal level. I have no issue with the subject matter being discussed.

CAP LETTERS SO YOU CAN READ IT.

I HAVE EVERYTHING AGAINST THE METHOD AND MANNER IN WHICH HE DISCUSSES THESE THINGS.

It is hate filled and offensive. I don't need to sit here and split the hairs of whether people are dark enough to have color, whether their back ground actually splits them into a race or not. It's bigoted. That's enough for me.
aceman FEB 05, 11:05 PM
Easy enough then... Don't click the link of any of his threads. Ignore his posts in other threads.

It's not that difficult, Jazzy Jr.
WhiteDevil88 FEB 05, 11:16 PM
ACEMAN
That last post about what one thinks about when dealing with Hmong surprised me a bit coming from you. I am not sure I fully understand what you are trying to say. When you asked Don if he voiced ethnic slurs of hate, what was that about? Why would you assume that he would use hateful slurs about people with his family. I can't say that my actual real life exposure to him was more then a couple of days almost 10 years ago, but he did not strike me as the crass type of person that would speak hatefully of anyone. He has more control then to allow someone else to have that power over him.

I see what you mean about Stan, and how you know where he stands. I, too, enjoy a reputation of being straightforward with my opinions to the point of bluntness. However, I have been able to do that without ever referring to someone as a faggot or queer, panty sniffer, glory holer, etc. Somehow I would wager that you, along with all of your fellow supporters of Mr. Uhlan, would have a negative rating for me.

So, just those two things are kind of hard for me to wrap my head around, can you help?

[This message has been edited by WhiteDevil88 (edited 02-05-2012).]

aceman FEB 05, 11:25 PM
Why would I assume that about Don? He was trained to hate and not trust anyone from that area. It's not easy to flush that out of one's system over a lifetime. I listened to my father-in-law and nearly all those my senior that served in Vietnam refer to someone from that area as a Gook or even worse.

As for my rating towards you. It's a Positive rating. Always has been.

As for Stan's colorful postings. I don't see him changing his language for anything or any event.

[This message has been edited by aceman (edited 02-05-2012).]

TK FEB 05, 11:50 PM
Sooo, how 'bout them Giants?

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theBDub FEB 06, 01:39 AM

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Originally posted by Gridlock:

Every post I have made from page 1-3. Scroll up for page 4.

Find the hate.

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I have nothing against this member on a personal level. I have no issue with the subject matter being discussed.

CAP LETTERS SO YOU CAN READ IT.

I HAVE EVERYTHING AGAINST THE METHOD AND MANNER IN WHICH HE DISCUSSES THESE THINGS.

It is hate filled and offensive. I don't need to sit here and split the hairs of whether people are dark enough to have color, whether their back ground actually splits them into a race or not. It's bigoted. That's enough for me.



Oops... didn't mean you there Gridlock. I was going to write in that I didn't see any hate on your end at all, but thought that went without saying.

I think you have been extremely patient with your opinion.
Gridlock FEB 06, 01:48 AM
That was aimed at twofatguys that said there had been 14 posts of hate from me, compared to one from stan.

I corrected him, and suddenly he didn't post anymore.

Sooner or later, people are going to run out of excuses and bullshit and crap and we're going to discuss, right here in this thread what type of forum its going to be.

There is a whole lot of world outside the deep south of the United States. We going to include it?
Nurb432 FEB 06, 08:39 AM

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Originally posted by twofatguys:


One post-o-hate from uhlanstan in this thread. 14 posts-o-hate from Gridlock.

For those keeping count on these things Gridlock has posted 1400% more hate (by post count) in this thread than uhlanstan.

Brad



But its ok when he does it.. at least in his mind.