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MAY 31, 09:47 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Cliff Pennock:
The church did. When they monopolized the word. Why aren't gays allowed to do the same?
(Yes, I obviously didn't read past page one since I'm sure from page 2 onwards it's the same "God hates Gays" drivel)) |
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Cliff, you speak a foreign language in addition to your native language. So do I. So we both have experienced how important it is that words have meaning, and you possibly have struggled, as I have, when there is imprecision or ambiguity with words.
I don't know that the church "monopolized the word. Regardless. Say they did. The english language definition has a LONG established, precise meaning that gays using the word would MAJORLY change.
This isn't an anti-gay thing for me. I am against ANY group changing the definition of the word. I don't know right now of any other groups that are trying to, but whatever that group would be, I am against it.
Regarding your assumption, I'm sorry you underestimated your friends on the forum. There hasn't been "God hates gays". I answered a question referencing verses in the Bible where it says that homosexuality is unnatural. I didn't extrapolate from there to "God hates gays." Nor did I say I hate gays. I then said I have several friends that are gays, and we are on great terms. And they know exactly how I feel about gay marriage. They know I am against calling it marriage, but as a citizen of the United States, they also know I support them having legal rights equal to a marriage.
Just as a general principle, just because you are against what someone does, it doesn't mean you hate them, or aren't their friend, or wish them evil.
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avengador1
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MAY 31, 10:21 PM
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I can testify that God does indeed exist, at least for me personally. He has answered my prayers in times of real and great need. I also know of those that curse his name, by blaming him for taking a loved one of theirs. Faith, you either have it or you don't. It can also be said you either need it or you don't. It seems Phranc has lost his faith, if he ever had it or needed it. Maybe some day he will find or need it again.
If and when that day comes remember the decalogue. 
| quote | exodus 20:2-20:17
2 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; 3you shall have no other gods before* me.
4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me, 6but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation* of those who love me and keep my commandments.
7 You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name.
8 Remember the sabbath day, and keep it holy. 9For six days you shall labour and do all your work. 10But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work—you, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the alien resident in your towns. 11For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and consecrated it.
12 Honour your father and your mother, so that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.
13 You shall not murder.*
14 You shall not commit adultery.
15 You shall not steal.
16 You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.
17 You shall not covet your neighbour’s house; you shall not covet your neighbour’s wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbour. |
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[This message has been edited by avengador1 (edited 05-31-2009).]
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Phranc
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MAY 31, 10:24 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by madcurl:
Well, is God real or not? Are you a Catholic or not? Are you on the fence or off the fence... you can't have it both ways (unless your Gay  j/k) by saying you "except" some parts of the Bible and then call the other parts "BS." If God isn't real then why use references? After all, if God is fake--- none of the things in the past are real.
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I am a confirmed catholic. Do you know what that means? And no I don't believe in god. I'm not having it both ways nor am I on the fence. You if don't understand what I saying just say so. And some parts of the bible are true. Those would be people and places. I accept those parts to be true. The one confused here s you. I didn't say none of the things in the past are real. If you can't be honest enough to actually use what I did say and have to make things up I understand. Your religion doesn't hold up to scrutiny and instead of defending the indefensible you flounder and grasp at anything to feel relevant. It's ok though you are just another brainwashed christian.
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MAY 31, 10:24 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by avengador1:
I can testify that God does indeed exist, at least for me personally. He has answered my prayers in times of real and great need. I also know of those that curse his name, by blaming him for taking a loved one of theirs. Faith, you either have it or you don't. It can also be said you either need it or you don't. It seems Phranc has lost his faith, if he ever had it or needed it. Maybe some day he will find or need it again.
If and when that day comes remember the decalogue.
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Amen to that. 
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Phranc
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MAY 31, 10:35 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick's Dad:
Wow, I go to a Little League baseball game and this thread de-evolves.
Phranc, interestingly, uses the Old Testament - written a couple of thousand years prior to Christians - to prove Christian doctrine.
Since Chiristians are told "love one another" (John 13:34) and "Love your neighbor as you love yourself," (Gal 5:14 et al), then the logical outcome is exactly what happened. As Christianity prevailed in a society, slavery lost its foothold, including in the US and Great Britain.
As I indicated in the book of Philemon, Paul tells Philemon that he could, as his "spiritual father," exert his influence in accepting Onesimus, a runaway slave, back into his household. As Onesimus's "spiritual father," as well, we can presume the underlying theme of the short letter is that Philemon should see his servant as a brother, but Paul leaves the outcome up to him. Moreover, Paul offers his personal references and to pay any debt owed to Philemon.
It is obvious that Christianity's elevation of mankind above the animals, and above mere playthings for the "gods," would be the "raison de etre" for any number of societal reforms, such as abolition, suffrage, prison reform, temperance and even the New Deal (Nobody's perfect, I guess). For those who think that religion, especially Christianity, should be removed from government, we should keep in mind that, without religion, specifically the First Great Awakening, there likely would not have been Revolution, ad, therefore, a government to keep religion out of. |
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Yeah I know, how dare I use the christian bible. But christian are always quick to dismiss the old testament that their false prophet was a rabbi of. Well unless there is a part of it that works in their favour. Then its ok to use.
If christianity raised man above the animals how come in most of the world where christianity isn't the religion they are free of slaves and women can vote? You make it sound like the hindus and budists should be slave holding, women oppressors. And would that prison reform include the first penitentiaries? Do you realize why they are called penitentiaries?
And religion should be removed from government because when the government was founded they left it out. And they did that for a reason.
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madcurl
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MAY 31, 10:49 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Phranc:
I am a confirmed catholic. Do you know what that means? And no I don't believe in god. I'm not having it both ways nor am I on the fence. You if don't understand what I saying just say so. And some parts of the bible are true. Those would be people and places. I accept those parts to be true.
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How did you "confirm" these truths? Did you actually take time away from the key board and seek these places of interest to "confirm" you're suspensions? Did you travel distant lands Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, or Egypt? Are you archeologists?
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madcurl
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MAY 31, 10:57 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Phranc:
And religion should be removed from government because when the government was founded they left it out. And they did that for a reason. |
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Dude, you're all over the place and yet you boost about knowing everything.
Can you name one world power-- past or present that doesn't have some form of religious influence over it's leaders/kings/prince/queen/dictator/president?
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Boondawg
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MAY 31, 11:35 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by avengador1:
If and when that day comes remember the decalogue.
Exodus 20:2-20:17
2. I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; |
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So far so good.
| quote | Originally posted by avengador1:
3. you shall have no other gods before* me. |
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Freewill?
| quote | Originally posted by avengador1:
4. You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. |
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Modren ego?
| quote | Originally posted by avengador1:
5. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God,
a. punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me, |
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Human emotions?
Condemming & punishing the innocent?
| quote | Originally posted by avengador1:
6. but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation* of those who love me and keep my commandments. |
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Or else?
| quote | Originally posted by avengador1:
7. You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name. |
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Unforgiveness, forever?
| quote | Originally posted by avengador1:
8. Remember the sabbath day, and keep it holy. |
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Attendance?
| quote | Originally posted by avengador1:
9. For six days you shall labour and do all your work. |
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"Creation" days, or man-days?
| quote | Originally posted by avengador1:
10. But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work—you, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the alien resident in your towns. |
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Abided by?
| quote | Originally posted by avengador1:
11. For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and consecrated it. |
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See above
| quote | Originally posted by avengador1:
12. Honour your father and your mother, so that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you. |
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Vailed human threat?
| quote | Originally posted by avengador1:
13. You shall not murder.* |
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Self-selective deffinition?
| quote | Originally posted by avengador1:
14. You shall not commit adultery. |
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Inner-thoughts?
| quote | Originally posted by avengador1:
15. You shall not steal. |
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Self-selective choice of definition?
| quote | Originally posted by avengador1:
16. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour. |
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Gossip?
| quote | Originally posted by avengador1:
17. You shall not covet your neighbour’s house; you shall not covet your neighbour’s wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbour. |
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Image assimulation?
Yikes!
Some tuff-stuff, nowadays!
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madcurl
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MAY 31, 11:53 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Boondawg:
Yikes! Some tuff-stuff, nowadays!
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Yeah, Moses and company couldn't faithfully keep those laws. They keep messing up-- punishment for having to run around in the desert for 40 yrs, because somebody kept goofing up. Yeah, they had a few good years (here and there) over the centuries forward, but somebody always coveted somebody's wife (ahh. King David), coveting some purple scarf, or even Moses getting a bit too cocky at water thingie (just to name a few). Moses couldn't turn around fast enough before somebody wanting a to make a replica god, hehe. They constantly had to make sacrifices to God and that didn't work either. Oh well, good thing J.C. come along years later.
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Patrick
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JUN 01, 04:06 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Phranc:
You if don't understand what I saying just say so.
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Houston, we have a problem...
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