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Earl-R MAY 31, 04:54 PM
Why does anyone care?

It is not for us to judge but be judged by God.

In the end if all these people TRUELY believe, then let it be and God will deal with it at the day of recogning. It is not our place to judge these people.

If all people would follow thier beliefs as they were written, that of peace, then the world would be a better place.

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BobadooFunk MAY 31, 05:00 PM

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Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:
So because you can explain something you can automatically say that God didn't have a hand in it?


ah, but i DID say i was open to the possibility. I beleive how we got here is still unknown, and i wont be persueded either way with just words (or if i was you, convinced either way with theories) i am just as skeptical about the big bang as i am God. i will remain this way till i see or experience something that makes the little light go off in my head : DING! : your "how you came to exist" is done!


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Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:
But why are we at each other over this? You believe the way you want, I wont say anything about you or come to your door with my bible.


actually i think this discussion is staying somewhat civilized, some of us may seem to have irrational views, but for the most part we are all expressing them with some decency. and I have no problem with people who do beleive in god, nor do i try to convince them he doesnt exist just as i respect what you said about not coming to my door normally i stray away from these threads due to immidiate bashing.. but honestly.. so far not bad..


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Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:
My only say on this is this, when a group of people can force their will on another group (read all of it and don't stop there) then we should all stand up and find another way. There are laws on the books about this and there is a long history of religious belief. To let the gay community force their will on churches and community's that goes against their beliefs and religion is wrong. Find another way. Regardless if you think religion is wrong or not it is here and its protected by the rules of our nation. The same rules that let us discuss this and many other things without having our homes seized and freedom taken away. You break down that protection and what is next? You can not force your belief on another and expect others to except that your belief is more valid. Find another way.
Life is short and the world is full of lonely people. If you find someone that makes you happy then I don't care just don't force your beliefs on me.


i think i understand this, but it leaves me curious, so the :new term for gay marriges, with same rights: thing that was said, do you think this is a good solution?


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Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:
Go have a nice day and enjoy this world, tomorrow you will have one less day to enjoy.



agreed

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Jake_Dragon MAY 31, 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by BobadooFunk:

i think i understand this, but it leaves me curious, so the :new term for gay marriges, with same rights: thing that was said, do you think this is a good solution?




I think there has to be a solution and marriage isn't one that everyone can live with. Civil union, Family union or what ever you call it. I am not opposed to two people that care about each other having the rights to do so in every way. Its those that you see on the street posturing in an extreme display of their beliefs that cause most of the sensationalism and reaction you see and that goes for both sides.

Politicians are only swayed by what will keep them in office the longest. When they start choosing an ass to kiss they try to hit as many as they can the first time as it tends to taste bad the second time around.

I choose to believe in God, the light came on for me years ago.
Have a nice night.
Jake
Phranc MAY 31, 06:47 PM

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Originally posted by Carver1:


Now you want to get personal and start calling me weak? Real nice.
Sorry to see anyone turn on the Lord, but you are kicking and screaming to get away from Him. He will return the favor.
Just when I thought this would be civilized, it turns to this.
It was good while it lasted...




If you can't get over your brainwashing you are weak minded. If you are insulted by the truth that's your problem not mine. I can't turn on something that never existed.
Phranc MAY 31, 06:51 PM

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Originally posted by Slayre:


Because you do not believe anything the bible or God says, so WHY would you point to the bible. A non believer preaching scripture to a Christian ? Im well aware of what the bible says and what it means. Phranc, all I can say is Thanks, but No thanks.



Where did I say I don't believe anything the bible says? Some parts are fact and historical.

I know christians can't handle it when a nonbeliever shows they more about the religion then do. Its ok though.
Phranc MAY 31, 06:52 PM

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Originally posted by madcurl:


Dude, your key board doesn't lie and neither does your red bar.



And what does the red bar have to do with my happiness? Maybe you are happy because people like but I don't base my happiness on if people like me or not.
Phranc MAY 31, 07:07 PM

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Originally posted by madcurl:


Apparently, you have been duped into believing man made doctrines as "fact." This is why you failed in your readings of the scriptures for “God isn't a god of confusion but of peace” for the scriptures do not contradict. However, it appears your eyes are shut and you mind is closed to finding the truth.

Therefore you go around frustrated-- venting anger towards everyone you meet or disagree with on this forum for you are lost and don’t know the reasons why you exist and your purpose for living.



Peace? Yeah the god of destruction maybe. But Sodom and Gomorrah were peacefully destroyed. Maybe when he "ordered" attacks that was peaceful. The god of the bible is a very vengeful and jealous god. Before you say that the fictional god is a god of peace you might wanna be sure there aren't several occasions where he was a bitter angry vengeful god. You might also want to make sure you know scripture before telling others they failed at it. I love how christians who are just brainwashed suckers always say its the people who have critically looked at the bible that are closed minded. I'm not lost. I'm nor frustrated. Unlike you I don't need to have a reason to exist. See I'm not as arrogant as christians to think I'm so special that is a reason for my being. Nor am I so self centered to think there more to the purpose of life then procreation. And I'd like to know how you are so sure I vent to everyone I meet I disagree with? That's right you don't.

Patrick's Dad MAY 31, 07:42 PM
Wow, I go to a Little League baseball game and this thread de-evolves.

Phranc, interestingly, uses the Old Testament - written a couple of thousand years prior to Christians - to prove Christian doctrine.

Since Chiristians are told "love one another" (John 13:34) and "Love your neighbor as you love yourself," (Gal 5:14 et al), then the logical outcome is exactly what happened. As Christianity prevailed in a society, slavery lost its foothold, including in the US and Great Britain.

As I indicated in the book of Philemon, Paul tells Philemon that he could, as his "spiritual father," exert his influence in accepting Onesimus, a runaway slave, back into his household. As Onesimus's "spiritual father," as well, we can presume the underlying theme of the short letter is that Philemon should see his servant as a brother, but Paul leaves the outcome up to him. Moreover, Paul offers his personal references and to pay any debt owed to Philemon.

It is obvious that Christianity's elevation of mankind above the animals, and above mere playthings for the "gods," would be the "raison de etre" for any number of societal reforms, such as abolition, suffrage, prison reform, temperance and even the New Deal (Nobody's perfect, I guess). For those who think that religion, especially Christianity, should be removed from government, we should keep in mind that, without religion, specifically the First Great Awakening, there likely would not have been Revolution, ad, therefore, a government to keep religion out of.
tutnkmn MAY 31, 07:46 PM

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Originally posted by BobadooFunk:

ha./.. also makes me wonder, if a gay couple has/obtains a child, and the child turns out straight, will they be happy?



I am gay and have a child who is bi -------------- mostly straight.. He likes girls 60% of the time. I'm quite happy about the whole thing! His name is Ryan, he lives in London and currently has a boyfriend, Andrew. He has had girlfriends, the latest Mei Ling, and I'm good with that as well.

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madcurl MAY 31, 08:36 PM



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Originally posted by Phranc:

I'm a confirmed catholic and was an alter server for over a decade.I have read the bible. A few times. Including the books that were left out and the gospels that were left out. I read the bible with an open mind and that's why I can see it for the BS that it is. Its great for telling fables and that's about it.





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Originally posted by Phranc:


Peace? Yeah the god of destruction maybe. But Sodom and Gomorrah were peacefully destroyed. Maybe when he "ordered" attacks that was peaceful. The god of the bible is a very vengeful and jealous god. Before you say that the fictional god is a god of peace you might wanna be sure there aren't several occasions where he was a bitter angry vengeful god. You might also want to make sure you know scripture before telling others they failed at it. I love how christians who are just brainwashed suckers always say its the people who have critically looked at the bible that are closed minded. I'm not lost. I'm nor frustrated. Unlike you I don't need to have a reason to exist. See I'm not as arrogant as christians to think I'm so special that is a reason for my being. Nor am I so self centered to think there more to the purpose of life then procreation. And I'd like to know how you are so sure I vent to everyone I meet I disagree with? That's right you don't.



Well, is God real or not? Are you a Catholic or not? Are you on the fence or off the fence... you can't have it both ways (unless your Gay j/k) by saying you "except" some parts of the Bible and then call the other parts "BS." If God isn't real then why use references? After all, if God is fake--- none of the things in the past are real.

Otherwise, it sounds like your confused.