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84Bill
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NOV 12, 05:10 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by whadeduck:
Ok, that's kinda weird. What's the story behind that? Something in the protocol books?
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Its customary in Saudi Arabia. They greet with a kiss on the cheek and walk hand in hand as a sign of kinship. Quite franky I wouldn't mind it myself.. I feel it would be an honor.[This message has been edited by 84Bill (edited 11-12-2006).]
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whadeduck
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NOV 12, 05:16 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 84Bill:
Its customary in Saudi Arabia. They greet with a kiss on the cheek and walk hand in hand as a sign of kinship. Quite franky I wouldn't mind it myself.. I feel it would be an honor.
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Hmm, didn't know that. I'm used to the kissing on the cheek, but the handholding is new to me. Nothing wrong with it, just hadn't seen it before. I'm sure that some of our customs are strange to them as well. ------------------
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fierofetish
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NOV 12, 05:18 PM
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The irony of it all..Gays should be eternally grateful to heterosexuals..and show a lot more respect than they do..after all,without heterosexuals creating life, they would soon enough disappear. It is heterosexuals who produce the next generation, not them. Until some misguided scientist decides to play God, and grants them the ability to procreate.Against the design of nature.If nature, the basis of ALL life, had decided that homosexuality was acceptable, and 'natural' then She was clever enough to make us hermaphrodites..but She didn't.She chose to make worms hermaphrodites..so therefore she could have done it.It was not Her will to do so.Nature should be revered and respected..she brought us this far.
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Boondawg
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NOV 12, 05:19 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by jstricker:
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John, you use the word "openly" a lot when discussing homosexuality.
Doesn't that seem a little "telling" to you?
"I don't want to SEE it, I don't want to HEAR it, I don't want to KNOW it."
That's your right.
But you can't make them stop being VISABLE, SPEAKING, or BEING.
They were here in the beginning, and they will be here in the end.
You will, and probibly are, doing buisness with them.
But it's OK becouse you don't KNOW IT?
Who's that you talk to on the phone?
Who takes your order on line?
Who owns that corporation?
It's OK to do buisness with someone, as long as they HIDE who they are?
They must not be PROUD of who they are?
Unlike religion?
If you are religious, will you do buisness with those that AREN'T?
You said yourself, you should not have to do something just becouse it's politiclly correct.
Why should they?
Why should ANYONE have to hide who they are?
Becouse of the intolerence of the beliefs of others, that's why.
Cruel to be kind, in the right measure?
I think not.
I hope we all (and that means me too) get smarter someday.
It's the only way we're going to survive.
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84Bill
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NOV 12, 05:24 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by whadeduck:
Hmm, didn't know that. I'm used to the kissing on the cheek, but the handholding is new to me. Nothing wrong with it, just hadn't seen it before. I'm sure that some of our customs are strange to them as well.
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Thats what makes up the world we live in.. Some make it tilt, others make it spin and still others make it revolve around the sun.
Kinda neat if you ask me.
For example..
I called my friend Avery (AKA "X Man") the other day. I said Hey X whats up man.. it's "Rill"
Avery says, "Hey my n****r.. whats up?"
Cracks me up every time. Especially when I say it.. The world is a very different place when there are no barriers.. It a shame because there are places I can't go in the hood simply because I'm white..  Oh well.
But I can go and see things other have absoliutly no clue about and I am not just basing my observations on years of second hand bias.. Its real! I been there.[This message has been edited by 84Bill (edited 11-12-2006).]
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fierofetish
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NOV 12, 05:25 PM
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We have NO chance of surviving by being Gay, Boonie. And since when did being Gay become politically correct?
| quote | Originally posted by Boondawg:
I hope we all (and that means me too) get smarter someday.
It's the only way we're going to survive. |
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DRA
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NOV 12, 05:36 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 84Bill:
Well.. thats fine for you but not fine for others so whats the solution... I KNOW.. how about equality? Just forget bias and just be NICE to one another? Ohhh really hard to do.
I think you are a communist sympathizer and neo nazi.... I may be honest but would it be fair to refuse you a job just because of that?
Those people can move out of this country and to Afghanistan if they want.. No gays there. Here we have both gay Americans and Afghani Americans.. but I like to level that even further and just call them Americans. I'm tolorant of all Americans but I do not tolorate haters... the "intolorant"
Oh I'm right and far more right than I am wrong. I have no interest in the gay lifestyle.. I have no interest in the christian lifestyle.. I am NON BIAS toward either but I demand equal treatment for all people IN PUBLIC. Gays don't discriminate against christians.. do they?? I'm sure they do but thats a federal offense and the punnishment is steep!
Hey sit in your haouse and bash gays.. or morphodites.. I don't care.. just don't USE your BIAS and your business to discriminate. Thats just flat out WRONG |
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Geez, I didn't realize I was coming across as a communist sympathizer and neo nazi. I thought my point was that both groups should be more tolerant of each others beliefs and rights. I guess if being opposed to being forced to associate and deal with individuals or groups whose beliefs or lifestyles I don't agree with and giving up my right to personal choice is comunist or neo-nazi then thats what I am.
Personally I would initially have had no problem doing work for the people the landscaping company refused to give the bid to, but after seeing what they have done to these people for simply being honest enough to let them know they choose not to affiliate themselves with openly gay groups or individuals I would be hesitant.
I have a few friends/family/aquaintences who are homosexual, I do not have a problem with them and they do not seem to have a problem with me (at least none of them has started a smear campaign against me yet). I do not have a problem with them practicing their lifestyle but I choose not to participate in their lifestyle choice and do not try to force my lifestyle choices on them.
Oh, and yes, if you think I am a communist sympathizer and neo nazi and believe that I will use my position to further my cause or that I would use my position as a platform to wave my flag I do believe it would be fair to refuse to give me a job based on your oposition to my beliefs.
Gotta go move my car, catching a hard time about spending to much time on the internet so I'll have to stop here. Maybe I can sneak back on in a little while to continue this wonderful debate.
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84Bill
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NOV 12, 05:42 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by fierofetish:
We have NO chance of surviving by being Gay, Boonie.
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Sure we do... because not everyone is gay. Soooo... whats the problem?
In theory their lifestyle shoud die out.. but it hasn't.. Even the Alexander The Great was alleged to have had gay relations... But his men died for him because he was such a good leader. Had there been the kind of bias alive then that there is now he would never have been.... hummmm... just imagine the military tactics we would have never known.
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84Bill
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NOV 12, 05:48 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by DRA:
Geez, I didn't realize I was coming across as a communist sympathizer and neo nazi. I thought my point was that both groups should be more tolerant of each others beliefs and rights. I guess if being opposed to being forced to associate and deal with individuals or groups whose beliefs or lifestyles I don't agree with and giving up my right to personal choice is comunist or neo-nazi then thats what I am.
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Nahh.. you werent.. I was being an intolorant jackass. 
No "individual" is being force into "doing business" with "open gays" but the business itself must not tolorate intolorance.. It simply is not good business practice or even a practice in good faith and service to the general public.
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Scott-Wa
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NOV 12, 05:55 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by fierofetish:
We have NO chance of surviving by being Gay, Boonie. And since when did being Gay become politically correct?
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You have no chance of surviving anyways... what's your point? Homosexuality is something that nature tries out over and over and over. The trait doesn't go away, which means it actually can be a good thing for a species under the right circumstances. Nature doesn't put all of it's eggs in one basket... when it picks one thing so tightly defined, that species goes extinct.
Next up... getting those people who are jewish to stop being so open about it. Oh wait, we've been there.
As a religious issue, this is one of those things that bothers me just as much as extremist islam... it's the same path. Attempts at legislating personal beliefs like those on the landscaping website relating to marriage. Outlawing who can and can't get married because YOUR beliefs say it's wrong. Hate the sin, outlaw the sinner...
I'm not a christian, so should any business be able to deny me service because of that? BTDT... blue laws, that say/said that businesses can't be open on Sunday, or in some cases that they MUST be open on Saturdays. 1935 Nerenberg... Jews became subjects rather than citizens, and in a similar situation to today... marriage between jews and non jews was outlawed. The idea is just disgusting eh? Some Christian decides that they have the right to determine what someone else can do, because their god says so. Their version of their god trumps everyone else because they say so... so shut up about it and just become invisible if you don't conform... then pray to your own god they don't go any further.
Edit- or make a stink about it when it's at the level of getting your lawn mowed... might be better than when they are moving you to the showers.[This message has been edited by Scott-Wa (edited 11-12-2006).]
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