Five against one. Fair fight? Perhaps not. (Page 15/26)
Patrick JUN 02, 07:02 PM

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Originally posted by frontal lobe:

Regarding Patrick, I feel very badly for what is happening to him. On initially reading his responses, I disagreed with what he said and the way it came across. Still do. However, he has clarified his intent umpteen times now. No malicious intent. Trying to express some perspective. Agree, disagree, whatever. Regardless, how much is enough? Is it necessary to continue to dogpile on Patrick? Is it necessary to over-use the negative rating system? You may not have liked what he said, but it wasn't in an insulting or intentionally inflammatory enough way, in my opinion, to send the negatives flying.

Goodness. Someone recently said something to the effect of all police should be killed.




Doc, I appreciate your sentiments.

You’re someone else on this forum that I’ve often disagreed with, but we both seem to be able to debate with each other in a civil manner. It’s always a pleasure discussing issues with you. I actually don’t mind the comments (not all the neg ratings) coming my way from the various people in this thread, but I’ve got limited time today to try and keep up with them and post replies.

I’m going to have to continue this tonight...
Scott-Wa JUN 02, 07:11 PM

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Originally posted by frontal lobe:


BUT, if you were walking down the street, got chased by 5 people intending to rob you, you ran, they caught you, pulled a shotgun on you, and two of them jumped on you, and you killed one with a pocket knife and seriously wounded another, the answer is unequivocally NO. You are DEFINITELY wrong. You would NOT be considered a murderer on this forum. There might be POSSIBLY one isolated crackpot on the forum that callled you a murderer and not a hero, but that person would have been ganged up on, rated negative, and out of the forum within a day for calling you that.



And no one called the guy with the knife defending himself a murdered either. Patrick just made a social comment about a supposedly pregnent girl getting killed being sad, didn't defend her actions, didn't call the ex marine a murdered. Just pointed out the glee some apparently took in an ex marine taking down some bad guys like it's a rambo flick.

I think the issue is that we have lost the definition of a hero... todays paper had some kids that found a dead girls remains getting awarded as heros, to many people consider overpaid sports stars heros, someone surviving an attack is a hero... NO, someone that gets involved in saving others is a hero. The guy defended his life, that makes him a survivor, not attempting to demean his actions in any way, but a hero would be if he'd jumped in to save someone elses life at the risk of his own. I applaud that he attempted avoidance of the situation first, didn't just go rambo and end up getting himself and possibly innocent bystanders killed. Bad people pushed it and one paid with her life, end of story except for the details that make it human and make it a social tragedy, that young girls are out robbing people and involved with gangs. It's not a new story, but that brings it home, the victim (being the exmarine) didn't leave his house intending to get involved in an attempted robbery or wanting to kill anyone, it doesn't need any Hooah! or a call for more blood. It calls for some delving into the reasons kids are joining gangs, girls and boys alike. My kid's bus stop got moved because teenage gang members were siccing pit bulls on the kids waiting for the bus and shooting them with pellet guns. Anyone a hero? No, it's just sad that one group of kids doing what they are supposed to be doing gets attacked by another group who where brought up wrong for whatever reason. Can that sort of situation be rectified before one of those gang members kills someone or gets killed themselves?
FIEROPHREK JUN 02, 11:02 PM

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Originally posted by Patrick:
I suspect you had already reached your limit.




Yes . your stupididy has overflown my capacity to think rationally and civilized. Therefore i will gracefully bow out and let you spew your liberal bleeding heart garbage until this thread dies. Long live the Marine corp and Semper Fi !

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Shyster JUN 02, 11:35 PM

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Originally posted by Patrick:

Shyster, I’m beginning to wonder about your motivations here. In This thread you came to the defense of a forum member who is a known troll, a sympathizer of war criminals. Even when I pointed out to you what a dumbass he was/is, you continued to pursue your line of reasoning. So what’s your game here, are you trying to live up to your user name?



Odd (or perhaps not) that you demand rational argument when it is manifested as criticism of yourself or of your own position, but ignore it in favor of ad hominem attacks when you direct criticism at others. (And not myself only, as a rational read of your comments above shows).

I disagree with your assessment of the thread you linked. There, my intention was to come to the defense of gentility in argument, as opposed to merely yelling "dumbass" at anyone who disagrees with one's point of view (which you not only did there, but continue to do here). In fact, the precis of your criticism of me is that I didn't meekly agree with you that the target of your wrath in the other thread was a "dumbass."

Wow. So there it is in black and white. I don't necessarily and reflexively agree with your judgments, and I do not think you should be abusive in announcing those assessments. How's that for a "motivation?" Why do you attack that position? Weren't such perceived attacks the same basis for your complaint (in this thread) that you were receiving negatives for expressing your opinion? Or is that one of those rules that applies to you, but not to others?
frontal lobe JUN 02, 11:56 PM

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Originally posted by JohnnyK:


Now now, that wasn't EXACTLY what he said.. He never made a proactive statement..



Correct. I apologize. I don't want to be unfair (even though I said SOMETHING to the effect of, but that still probably isn't fair enough.) It actually was:

"The only good cop.....is a dead cop.

no woder i smile every time I open a newspaper and read that one of them is dead. One is not enough."
johnnyk and I disagree on some things. Like in this thread, for example. He voiced an opinion on what would happen to him in a similar situation as the topic of the thread. I didn't think that is what would happen, and posted a differing opinion. johnnyk didn't call me names and give me a negative for it, or start fighting.

Patrick and I disagree on some things, too. OK, that happens. Don't have to get personal and nasty about it. So we don't.

I consider myself friends with people on both sides of this issue, and have just felt bad about the way this has gone. I really like being on the forum and knowing people from around the country and world, and hearing their viewpoints. I'm sorry this misunderstanding escalated to this level. I guess that's all I'm trying to say.
Shyster JUN 03, 12:54 AM

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Originally posted by frontal lobe:
I'm sorry this misunderstanding escalated to this level. I guess that's all I'm trying to say.



I think it need not have, but I agree with the sentiment.

I'm willing to disagree with you anytime, Frontal.
Patrick JUN 03, 03:26 AM

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Originally posted by FIEROPHREK:

Yes . your stupididy has overflown my capacity to think rationally and civilized. Therefore i will gracefully bow out and let you spew your liberal bleeding heart garbage until this thread dies.




I think you need a few more lessons on how to be graceful, among other things. Bye...
Patrick JUN 03, 03:28 AM

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Originally posted by Shyster:

There, my intention was to come to the defense of gentility in argument...




Thanks for injecting some much needed humour into this thread.
Patrick JUN 03, 03:39 AM

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Originally posted by DRA:

At no point is everyone gonna agree on everything, just don't work that way but that does not mean that if your in the minority you should not at least get to voice that opinion...




That's potentially one of the flaws in the rating system in this forum. Rock the boat enough, even in a completely civil manner, and conceivably you could lose the opportunity to post and voice an opinion here.


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Originally posted by DRA:

The facts should be reported, and reported accurately...




We're in complete agreement on that.
Patrick JUN 03, 04:07 AM

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Originally posted by GonsaiPK:

I think what is meant by the "some of his previous posts" comment, Patrick, is that they assume (wrongly) you'll take some ludicrously far-left position on everything, and they will interpret your posts as such.




Gonsai, I think you are 100% on the mark. The dumbest thing about that though is that this label, which some forum members are so eager to pin to me, is incorrect. I belong to no political party, I do not vote exclusively for any political party, and to tell the truth, I can’t stand politicians of any stripe. Yes, I’ve been critical of many right-wing comments here over the years, but I’m just as keen to chastise a left-winger if I think they’ve stepped over the line. I did this with connecticutFIERO recently in This thread, and I chastise Johnny all the time. I like to think that I’m “center-of-the-road” politically. In other words, I try to see both sides of an issue. However, it’s obvious I’ve been tarred with the “Liberal” brush here. So be it...


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Originally posted by GonsaiPK:

Oh yeah, Patrick, your 139th rating is a + from me, just 'cause I give them out to people who I think don't deserve negs.




Thanks. I’ll try to earn that + from you.