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heybjorn AUG 05, 02:34 PM
Toddster, it was about time you jumped in.
84Bill AUG 05, 04:45 PM
Oh christ here we go..


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Originally posted by heybjorn:
So, "in fact", there is no such thing as gravity which exerts a force of 32 ft/sec^2 upon bodies on earth? Two hydrogen atoms don't combine with one oxygen to form water? That is what you said. But that reality takes away from what I was trying to get to earlier, which I'm not going back to because Bill isn't interested in "facts"..



Actually the theory was that all things HAVE gravity. that same 32 feet per second does not apply on the moon. It's not that gravity does or does not exists.. we know it does. The Theory of realitivty states that based on a given set of rules (such as time) that the outcomes are different depending on perspective or change realitive to the view of each observer.

Scientists can not even say for sure what a planet is.. Aparently no one told them so they just pick and choose.. Thats an asteroid and thats a planet. Ummkay.... any questions?

Theories are great to "play with" and you can do a lot of neat crap with them but theories are just the recipies for arriving facts.. change a few facts in the theory and the outcomes change... Thats a fact.

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84Bill AUG 05, 05:04 PM

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Originally posted by Toddster:
THE WORLD IS COMING TO AN END!



Thats true and for all of us.. a millisecond at a time.
The real question is "when."

So the theory that world is coming to an end is an accurate statement, its a fact. It will. The trivial details as to how and why are speculitve and we can speculate ALL day long. Mean while back at the ranch and back on topic CEO salaries in the US far exceed those of workers both inside and outside of this country.

Bottome line
Mega corps ARE buying up the faltering competition, housing IS on the decline and has been for some time now, Insurance rates ARE going up, food IS getting more expensive to buy, the big three auto sales ARE down, Inflation IS rising making it more dfficult for people to make it on te same income... Just the facts
aceman AUG 05, 07:56 PM

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Originally posted by 84Bill:


Thats incorrect...

That position is being filled by another individual who will be LAID OFF pending the return of the soldier which the company must provide a similar job to.

Then lets consider the Military Industrial COmplex that no longer needs to pump out or refurbish military hardware, software, weapons and make lead bullets. The unemployment rate combined with the money loss would be extreme. Congress tried to cut back spending on this not long ago but the unmentiond interesting FACT of the matter is they cant.. it would effectivly kill the economy.



Sorry for a late response, Bill. I was at work. Can you remember what a work day is?

No, Bill, I can go down the list of the Reserve unit that I deployed with and tell you how many out of the 50 had someone "backfilling" their job........FIVE!

10 of us were already active duty

5 were civil service. Their co-workers sucked up the workload. No replacements or temps.

1 was a dealership mechanic. His buddies got some nice overtime pay because no one replaced him.

1 was a school superintendent. The principal filled in for him.

12 were college students.

3-4 were already unemployed

5-8 or so were self-employed or contractors. They took it in the shorts.

The 5 that had temps fill in.........1 was a secretary. 1 worked for a tire factory. 1 was a factory worker (Not sure what he did). 1 worked for the telephone company. 1 worked for a construction company.

At the most, at any given time there are 50,000 Guardsmen and Reservists on active duty. They're on for 12-15 months, with a few exceptions. This ain't WWII were men and women went to war for 2-4 years time. We aren't ramping up the nation for a full scale war effort. We're not even coming close to Vietnam war efforts!!!! Ammo plants aren't in full swing. They're hiring a few temps, but not many. Some defense contractors are hiring some more workers, but that's not significant. Refurbishing our equipment???? Soldiers and civilians that already were doing this are currently doing this...No significant employment for that. Want to know where the armored steel came from when we were uparmoring our vehicles in Iraq???? Turkey. This war is boosting our economy, but not in the form of employment.
84Bill AUG 05, 09:17 PM

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Originally posted by Spacewoman:
Sorry for a late response, Bill. I was at work. Can you remember what a work day is?



Nope.... but.... I destinctly remember you being an ass hole. Thanks for jogging my memory


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No, Bill, I can go down the list of the Reserve unit that I deployed with and tell you how many out of the 50 had someone "backfilling" their job........FIVE!



Right.. And knowing what a dipshit you are I'm sure many of them lied. Ther jobs were filled unless they worked on the family chicken farm in Podunk tennesee you are probably right but if they work in a blue collar or white collar job chnace are very good their job was temoprarily filled



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At the most, at any given time there are 50,000 Guardsmen and Reservists on active duty.



Really? Last time I checked 41% were national guardsman or reservists. I dont know how many in total are there... and to be frank.. I really dont care anymore either.

As far as your numbers... It's bullshit, back them up with facts, give me the link.

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aceman AUG 05, 09:32 PM
When was the last time you checked on that 41% number? 2004? Because after that the Guard and Reserve dropped down to 30%. 139,000 troops over there. Even if your 41% number was correct, that's still about 50,000 troops. Bill, believe my numbers or not. I don't care. Let's see.......Who's got the right data.......The welfare unemployed wastoid or the guy sitting a Joint Service Command and has witnessed Guard and Reserve matters first hand. Hmmmmm, that's a tough one.

Can anyone find an article showing that there's an unemployment issue with temp employees taking over for deployed Reservists? The U.S. creates twice as many jobs over the year than the number of mobilized and deployed servicemembers.

Ya got NUTHIN', Bill. Run along now and go find Phranc to try to argue with.
84Bill AUG 05, 09:40 PM

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Originally posted by Spacebiotch:
Ya got NUTHIN', Bill. Run along now and go find Phranc to try to argue with.



Heres what I found with one quick google... first link

http://www.usatoday.com/new...erves-job-woes_x.htm

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By Barbara Slavin, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — The number of reservists and National Guard members who say they have been reassigned, lost benefits or been fired from civilian jobs after returning from duty has increased by more than 70% over the past six years.
The sharp spike in complaints brought to the U.S. Labor Department reflects the extensive use of part-time soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan, the largest call up of reserves since the 1950-53 Korean War.

DEPLOYMENT COSTS: Impact of police felt on street

About 500,000 of the 850,000 reservists and National Guard members eligible for duty have been mobilized since late 2001, said Maj. Rob Palmer, spokesman for a Pentagon office that tries to resolve job disputes.

Not all have been treated well by their employers when they return home.

After the 1991 Gulf War, "I was welcomed home with ticker tape," said Marc Garcia, a lieutenant colonel in the Army Reserves. "This time, I get the door slammed in my face."

Garcia, a member of the State Department's Bureau of Diplomatic Security, has been called up twice since Sept. 11, 2001, once for Afghanistan and the last time for stateside duty.

Garcia, 44, had been a supervisor in the Miami office of the security bureau. When he returned to work early last month, he was given a desk job in Washington with no clear responsibilities, he said.

Last month, a judge in Atlanta ruled that the State Department violated Garcia's rights under a 1994 law, which requires employers to give returning reservists their old jobs or equivalent positions. The law was passed to address employment problems faced by veterans returning from the 1991 Gulf War.

The Labor Department said it handled 1,548 complaints from returning service members in the fiscal year ending Sept. 30, up from 895 in the year that ended Sept. 30, 2001. About a third of the cases are resolved in favor of employees, the department said.

Those numbers don't reflect all the servicemen and women with problems. Many of the cases are settled before they get to the Labor Department.

The Pentagon received more than 8,000 complaints this year, nearly double the previous year, but most were resolved without further government action, Palmer said. Complaints range from being fired, losing chances for promotion or being reassigned to jobs with less pay or responsibility.

Retired Marine lieutenant general Dennis McCarthy, executive director of the Reserve Officers Association, a private advocacy group, acknowledged the deployments can be difficult for employers, particularly small companies. "That burden is an acceptable cost when it's compared to the value of reserve service to our country," he said.

Reserve troops' job woes increase
Complaints, including firings, less pay, up 30%
By Barbara Slavin
USA TODAY

http://findarticles.com/p/a...0070304/ai_n18722092

An investigation of the military's employer-support office last year for Denver magazine, by Maximillian Potter, argued that although it should be a "tremendous resource" for returning U.S. troops, it is "a bureaucratic mess, mired in incompetence, undermined by conflict of interest and accountable to no one."

A new report in February by the Government Accountability Office found that the Pentagon does not even know the scope of the problems reservists face when they try to go back to work. In 2005, one out of seven was thought to return jobless.

Under the 1994 law, there are about 12,400 formal complaints filed each year alleging that employers refused to give returning reservists and Guard members their old jobs. The GAO said Congress hears about 2,400 of those complaints.

The GAO report concluded that the Departments of Defense, Justice and Labor and the Office of Special Counsel have different ways of approaching the law and don't compare cases, one reason for the chaos and confusion. The Department of Veterans Affairs, which is taking heat for the problems that returning soldiers face, oddly, is not involved in employee claims under the 1994 law.

An Air Force nurse with 32 years in the military, seven in active duty, and nearly two-dozen medals for valor and service was terminated from her civilian health-care job of 10 years when she was sent to Iraq for four months last year.

She is not alone. Increasingly, as reservists and Guard members return home after service in Iraq, they are finding their jobs were eliminated or their pay checks were smaller or promised promotions disappeared.

Last November, the U.S. Office of Personnel Management sent its annual report to Congress on veterans and disabled veterans working for the federal government. The press release said, "And by every measure, the Bush administration is living up to its commitment to make career opportunities available to soldiers, sailors and airmen." The report said the total number of veterans employed in 2005 out of a federal government work force of 1.8 million was 456,254. But the number of veterans newly hired in 2005 was only 5,000 more than the number hired in 2004.

That was also when 36 members of the Florida National Guard got letters, while serving in combat in Iraq, informing them that their jobs in a federal drug-interdiction program were abolished.

The Denver magazine report told of a 53-year-old Marine, in the service for 29 years, who deployed for nine months in Kuwait and Iraq in 2002 and 2003.

When he got home, he was fired from his $88,000-a-year job in a firm where he'd worked for 19 years. He was allegedly told by the Department of Labor, where his commanding officer referred him, that he didn't have a legal case unless he heard somebody say he was fired because of his military service.

The officer, a lawyer, was so outraged that he fought for the Marine, who won $324,082 in U.S. District Court in Colorado. As of late last year, reporter Potter said the Marine was still looking for a job with health insurance for his family.

The National Committee of Employer Support of the Guard and Reserve says veterans with job problems should call one of its ombudsmen from 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. CT Monday through Friday at 1-800- 336-4590. Sometimes you can get a real person.

The betting is that there will be thousands of cases as returning reservists and Guard members try to reclaim their old jobs. The betting is that many will be out of luck.

amcfeatters@hotmail.com.

Copyright C 2007 Deseret News Publishing Co.
Provided by ProQuest Information and Learning Company. All rights Reserved


Whats that??? Didnt hear ya over the THOUSANDS of complaints about employers not honoring a federal regulation.

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aceman AUG 06, 09:10 AM
Bill,
Where's the story about someone like you, say, being the temp and complaining that you became unemployed after that Reservist came home? That's the story I asked for. I swear I asked for that story. I know all about the Reservists coming home and having issues getting their jobs back. Doesn't mean they become unemployed and a worthless loser like you, Bill.

YOU GOT NUTHIN', Bill!
Pyrthian AUG 06, 09:51 AM

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Originally posted by JazzMan:
Do you enjoy having the weekends off from work? Thank unions for that.

Do you enjoy vacation time every year? Thank unions for that.

Holidays? Thank unions for that, too.

What, you want to go back to working 7 day weeks at leat 12-16 hours a day with no benefits, unemployed as soon as your body wears out, having never made more than the bare minimum to keep yourself fed and meagerly sheltered? If only there was a time machine, you could live out your dream of doing just that by going back a hundred years to live out your fantasy.

JazzMan



many folk born after WW2 dont know what working conditions were like. they maybe heard some stories. and, somehow think "that'll never happen again". nope. dont for a minute beleive that. a shop will pay its workers as little as possible. EVERYTIME. if a shop could hire your kid, and pay them $5 a week - it would. and, if your kid lost his/her hand while working - so what. that is reality. and, one shop does it - others will have to - in order to compete. you are not entitled to anything. get that thru your head. all of ya. from the bottom to the top. an owner is not entitled to anything either. mutiny can happen anywhere - doesnt have to be a ship. workers can come in one morning, and outright slit the owners throat. would not be the first time. this is why we have labor laws. standards. unions. discussions. a feeble attempt at fairness. so labor vs management does NOT become violent. because this is every mans livelyhood. you mess with it - and you do risk bodily harm - and possibly death. history shows this.
Toddster AUG 06, 04:44 PM

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Originally posted by 84Bill:

Nope.... but.... I destinctly remember you being an ass hole. Thanks for jogging my memory




Aceman ia an *** hole!?

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