The precieved mindless rambelings of a street corner bum. (very long) (Page 14/15)
Fastback 86 JUN 10, 02:58 AM
Bill you jackass. Someone new came into this thread on you're side and tried to stick up for you and you kicked em in the gut. I'm trying REALLY hard to understand what exactly it is that is wrong with you, and the only thing I can come up with is "A LOT."

When are you going to do the whole forum a favor and STFU?

84Bill JUN 10, 04:08 AM

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Originally posted by Fastback 86:

Bill you jackass. Someone new came into this thread on you're side and tried to stick up for you and you kicked em in the gut. I'm trying REALLY hard to understand what exactly it is that is wrong with you, and the only thing I can come up with is "A LOT."

When are you going to do the whole forum a favor and STFU?


Lets see.
You and a few of your looser buddies must have run low on chips then went back and found one. Good, you are back in the game and I really love kicking Nazi ass. As far as the other member "on my side", He has remaind fairly neutral and his comment HAS contributed to this thread until now.
So When you have Swiss, make swiss cheese, thing is he is just learning to goose step the way you do so keep teaching him, he aint quite there yet. I'll have my time with him when I get around to it, who knows he may enjoy it. One thing is for sure I certianly will when I'm damn good and ready to.

So punk off and join poor BigBoysToys, you trolls are an annoyance but I really love messing with your massive egos.

Now lay across my piano and sing for a song for me sweetstuff. I already know the tune.

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84Bill JUN 10, 04:12 AM

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Originally posted by lurker:

hey, i know! lets talk about 84bill!

uh, wait, that's already what the thread is about...


Ya know, why don't you just go off and play with your signature, you seem to be real good at stroking it.

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84Bill JUN 10, 04:25 AM

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Originally posted by maryjane:

This whole thread could be described in five little words.
The Man Keeping Me Down!!
Well, this page anyway.


Not entirely men but they are all Nazis, can you recognize the "uniform"?

maryjane JUN 10, 07:31 AM
faded jeans and tee shirts?
ditch JUN 10, 07:35 AM

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Originally posted by connecticutFIERO:

Besides isn't it OK to evolve a discussion onto a new topic? Which is in this case closely related to what Bill's original post was about.... the current situation in America. Albeit he was speaking from his perspective, but talking in general terms.


Ok, want to know if those numbers could sustain a family of 3, 4 or 5? I honestly couldn't say...I bet it would be tight especially with more than 3 kids. Look at the numbers in my budget. Many of them could be skimmed down to free up more money in that situation...

my directv bill ($42/month), get an antenna, or just get basic cable ($14/month), there's $336

gas (heating) bill: that's for a 3200sq foot house built in 1878, not well insulated, apply that to a 2000sq ft apartment or house and it should come down significantly (by at least 40%), there's $648

same goes for my electric bill....air conditioning a house like that sucks juice bigtime, so it would come down at least 30% in a place like described above, there's $306

groceries....I spend an average of $100 per month on going out to eat, I could pack a lunch and bring that figure down to $25/month (there's $900), and as far as food bill goes, I'll give up the expensive meat and buy more chicken...bet that frees up about $300/year ($25/month)
$120/year

for internet? Anyone can get free internet (there's $120)

I have 4 vehicles, lets go back to 2 since I don't need them all, insurance goes from $1600/year to $800/year...brings lisence plates to $65, so between the two, there's $865

that miscellaneous category...I bet I could trim about $700/year from it if I had to

so that's approximately $4000/year I've freed up. I have lived on a tight budget before and I could probably squeeze more money out if needed. On, and lets not forget the extra money the government give me back for having kids when tax time comes. Now is $4000 more per year ($333/month) on top of the $2860 per year I already had ($6820 total left for the year) going to make it possible to raise kids on this income? Depends on how many kids you're talking. With one or two kids, I don't see a major problem with it. If someone wants to try and raise 3+ kids on that income more power to them. I honestly can't give a good opinion on that because I've never experienced raising kids and the expense that comes with it.

I won't say it's impossible because there are people who do it. If someone wants to go and have multiple kids on a low income that's their right, but when it gets to be unaffordable the only one they can blame is themselves. They're the ones who made the decision to do it when on a tight income, so they have to live with it. Most people would be happy with the family they have, money isn't everything.

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84Bill JUN 10, 12:20 PM

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Originally posted by maryjane:

faded jeans and tee shirts?


No, that's just the trees.

connecticutFIERO JUN 10, 12:31 PM

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Originally posted by ditch:

I won't say it's impossible because there are people who do it. If someone wants to go and have multiple kids on a low income that's their right, but when it gets to be unaffordable the only one they can blame is themselves. They're the ones who made the decision to do it when on a tight income, so they have to live with it. Most people would be happy with the family they have, money isn't everything.


The thing is ditch, 42K IS the median income for a family household in the United States. So by calling the "average" middle class income a "low income" you are essentially saying that the expected outcome of the typical US family is bleak. Which if I am not mistaken is what this WHOLE thread is really about. The degradation of America and there's proof of it right there in yours and my post. In the 1970's (just as a reference, it was better in the 60's I think) the average family household had one bread winner, and that bread winner could support the entire family and still have approximately 46% of his pay left to save or spend. Today the average family sends two people to work and when the bills are paid that family has only 25% of its income to save or spend. Not all families have two breadwinners and have to survive on one salary which is VERY difficult. Of course I could cut the cable and drive a beater and not take my girl out for dinner ever, but that isn't the point. The point is the slowly degrading society in which we live in, and the corporations, banks, and government taking more and more from the people. All of this combined with what our current administration is doing to our civil liberties makes this country a lesser place, when we should all be trying to make it a better place.

Steve Normington JUN 10, 12:50 PM

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Originally posted by connecticutFIERO:


The thing is ditch, 42K IS the median income for a family household in the United States. So by calling the "average" middle class income a "low income" you are essentially saying that the expected outcome of the typical US family is bleak.


IMS, his setup was for an income of $36K, not $42K. That extra $5K (after taxes) would be a big difference.

connecticutFIERO JUN 10, 01:16 PM

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Originally posted by Steve Normington:


IMS, his setup was for an income of $36K, not $42K. That extra $5K (after taxes) would be a big difference.



Most people get some overtime right?

BTW its $37,440 not 36K which honestly after taxes the take home isn't all that much better at 42K . Its an extra $100 per week, but your tax bracket I think goes up right around there as well. You're right though its a noticeable difference.

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