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Pyrthian JAN 08, 04:06 PM
much of that frustration comes from the fact that they (salespeople) dont actually produce anything. they are getting paid for someone elses work. and, usually, more than the people who actually DID the work. it is endlessly frustrating to see people who produce nothing make more money than the people who actually do the work.
maybe we need to create a 2nd monetary system, one for people who MAKE stuff, and another for poeople who DONT, to even this out. lol - good luck with that one, eh?
of course I understand the need for a salesman. what good is making a product, if noone buys it? or even knows about it?

but - NONE gets ANYTHING if the actual productive people dont produce. you can design all day long, and do sales meeting all day long - but they are 100% USELESS without the actual product.
pokeyfiero JAN 08, 04:24 PM

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Originally posted by 84fiero123:


I never said that we didn’t need them Ace, NEVER.

I simply explained to you that they are SALESMEN plain and simple. They work on commission basis.

Or am I wrong about that one?

They make more money the more they sell, or am I wrong about that?

You are so arrogant about being right about everything that you can not see that is what I have said.

These people don’t care one bit if you make money on what they sell, as long as they do.

Do you know one realtor who will sell you something and not take a commission?

Do you know one stock broker who will sell or buy stocks for you and not take a commission?

Or am I wrong about any of what I have just said?




You accuse others about being arrogant and right all the time but you are the worst offender man. Get a clue that other people have insight that you may not have and if your real quiet you might be able to hear them.

Most agents rely on referrals for their livelihood. Do you know what that means? I could give you the answer but I think if you get off your trip you could connect some dots.

You seem to have an issue with someone making money for performing a task of expertise. Are you dumb and don't understand how that works or just pissy again about anyone with an expertise other than your own? I wouldn't have someone do anything for me with out paying them. I pay hence I expect. I actually tend to pay better than going rate. I actually expect more when I do. I get more and then I refer them for more business.

It comes down to your own personal ability to control your surroundings. I feel very comfortable working with highly educated people. I mean after all how great it is to be the boss of all these people that have spent their lives learning a trade to perfection and I'll I have to do to acquire this life is cut them in on a piece of the pie that is getting bigger all the time. Every time you hire these people you do so in the interest in improving your bottom line. It is about the end result not how much you had to pay. The people that make the money in this country are not the experts at particular trades so much as the managers that use them.

You must think you are the best at everything to act the way you do. If you got screwed by someone you only have yourself to blame. If you can't figure out the numbers for the best end result you shouldn't even play. Your just not managment material. I can respect someone that simply can't do something. At least they know their limitations.

Don't think I don't know where your coming from here. I happen to hate lawyers. I hate them with a passion. But I am not a lawyer and if I went to court or wrote my own contracts I would not be here. I work with them. I seek them out and find what I'm looking for and then make it worth their while to do me right. If I have to I will and have gotten another lawyer to make sure the first one stays on track. This is the price you pay for living and participating in the world.
84fiero123 JAN 08, 05:53 PM
So I was wrong about all these people then?

The only bitter people here are those here who refuse to admit that what I just said is true.

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84Bill JAN 08, 06:01 PM

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Originally posted by 84fiero123:

So I was wrong about all these people then?

The only bitter people here are those here who refuse to admit that what I just said is true.




In your general use of the word "people" yes... The methods they used to glean money from the unsuspecting and the violations of the peoples trust, No. You are correct, they live.

I will agree unwaveringly that there are those who willfully take advantage of the peoples trust (politicians) and allow other people and corps they work for to follow in their "Big Brothers" footsteps.. in lock step.

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84Bill JAN 08, 06:35 PM
Dow 12,589.07 -238.42 / -1.86%

Wall Street's terrible Tuesday
Stocks sink again extending rough start to 2008, as major gauges fall 10 percent off recent highs - the technical definition of a market "correction.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Stocks tumbled Tuesday, continuing the abysmal start to the new year, on growing worries that the economy could be headed for a recession amid the credit and housing market fallout.
84fiero123 JAN 08, 06:37 PM
People talk about the bad car salesmen all the time. They tell you what you want to hear to get you to buy their cars.

The people I spoke of are salespeople. Stock brokers are salesmen, as are real-estate brokers.

So all these educated people in the real-estate field are so educated that they know so much more than all the rest of us yet they didn’t see what I saw 6 months ago coming?

Same question for the stockbrokers who continue to make money on every trade they make for you?

If they are so smart why didn’t they see what I saw coming 6 months ago?

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aceman JAN 08, 07:21 PM
A car salesman won't make you money.

A good real estate agent and a good stock broker will. It's a pittance what I pay compared to what that real estate agent will make for me and save me. Plus, I don't have to make sure all the paperwork is done and in order.

It's a pittance what I pay a stockbroker to place my purchases of stock and to tell him to buy at this price and sell at this price.. Plus, a stock broker will give decent advice on the risk involved and the history of that stock and the market.

I pay them for their knowledge to assist me in making the most I can.
84fiero123 JAN 08, 07:32 PM

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Originally posted by aceman:
It's a pittance what I pay a stockbroker to place my purchases of stock and to tell him to buy at this price and sell at this price.. Plus, a stock broker will give decent advice on the risk involved and the history of that stock and the market.

I pay them for their knowledge to assist me in making the most I can.



And again I ask


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Originally posted by 84fiero123:
If they are so smart why didn’t they see what I saw coming 6 months ago?



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Technology is great when it works,
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Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.

Phranc JAN 08, 07:35 PM

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Originally posted by 84fiero123:



And what exactly did you see they didn't?
aceman JAN 08, 07:42 PM
Mr Bitter,
My stocks and my retirement fund did very well this year.

I told you, My house going up for sale at $185,000 75% more than what I paid for it.

Mr Bitter,
I DIDN'T lose any money in the stock market.

I WON'T lose any money when my house sells.

It's all been BLACK INK for me.

The ones in RED INK on the housing market are the ones that bought at an over-inflated value and need to sell now.

What does a selling Real Estate Agent care about what the buyer pays for a house? The Buying Agent should have advised "Mr. I'm getting in over my head" better. And what does Mr Buying Agent care if the buyer doesn't listen to his advice?