Landscaper Under Fire for Refusing to Work for Gays (Page 13/65)
Scott-Wa NOV 12, 03:04 PM
I'm done... thanks for the civil discussion John. Just like on the rest of the net... the more extreme people who won't tolerate someone else's ideas/freedoms are getting rude.

I'll say that you could be completely correct able it being a setup, not that an opposing view isn't entitled to that. Both sides have their extremists, the religious right and the way way way right that don't just hate the sin, but hate the sinner, and the way way way way in your face militant homosexuals. I suspect this started off a lot closer to the center of both camps, but the issue itself draws the fringes in like a moth to a candle. That could be seen here with the swings to calling gays pedophiles, the use of nasty language (don't see heterosexuals referred to as a group by sexual acts now do?)

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html This link is for the person that just had to call gays pedophiles and cocksuckers (I think the lesbians could take offense at having that term used for them) , not that he'll read it with an open mind and realize that pedophilia doesn't have a thing to do with a persons attraction to adults. It's like saying heterosexuality is evil because most rapists are heterosexuals... Heterosexuals rape women! Stupid statement. Or maybe we should outlaw MEN since men commit 97% of all sex crimes, be it rape, sexual assault, molestation. Doh...
84Bill NOV 12, 03:10 PM

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Originally posted by Cliff Pennock:
What's next? Small signs on restaurants' doors that read: "straight people only"? Are gays allowed to call you "sir" or should they address you with "Massa"?

Not shaking hands with gay people if you were introduced to them? OMFG. You sir, disgust me.



I feel the same way... I'm disgusted.
DRA NOV 12, 03:11 PM

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Originally posted by 84Bill:
Thats true but you arent the one being injured and denied equal treatment by someone elses bias based on X beliefs. If you were and you felt stronly enough that there is an injustice then I'm sure you would see the opposition as hateful individuals. IE. They don't like you because (insert reason here).... and thats not bullshit to you?




I do not see where these people have been injured and or denied equal treatment by someone. A guy refused to cut their grass, I'm sure he's not the only one who cuts grass in that county.
Now I might think differently if they were unable to receive medical attention, attend public school, vote, get a drivers license, or say if the fire department refused to put their house out if it was on fire (around here you pay a yearly subscription to the fire dept so I guess you could say they discriminate against the poor).

I just have a hard time seeing this as an injustice.

As far as " they don't like you because (insert reason here)", well I'm sure there are plenty of folks that don't like me for any number of reasons, heck I might be creating a few more just by typing my opinions and thoughts on this forum, but hey thats their right. If they feel they have a reason not to associate with me or do business with me then WHY would I want to force them to. Are my reasons for what I do or don't do any more valid than theirs.


pokeyfiero NOV 12, 03:13 PM

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Originally posted by pokeyfiero:
It isn't really like this Cliff.



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You are right and bums don't get murdered or churches burned by a gang of "bored" teenagers.. Right?


Come on Pokey.. don't delude yourself.. it's alot worse than you allow yourself to comprehend.




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A forum on the Garden Guy Web site, normally reserved for discussions about landscaping and shrubbery, was bombarded with angry comments and venomous attacks from as far away as Australia. Some people attacked the Farbers' beliefs, threatened the couple and their five children, and said they ought to be sodomized. Others condemned gays as sinners headed toward damnation. Farber, whose company's Web site has long included Biblical quotes and a link to a Web site that opposes gay marriage, said she was shocked by the reaction.




Hate doesn't run our streets rampant Bill. Ignorance does seem to be trotting along. If Cliff were to take this forums extremists veiws as a representation of how people really are it would be a shame. Of course I do live in a very tolorant state where we are very used to seeing different things.
84Bill NOV 12, 03:19 PM

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Originally posted by isthiswhereiputausername?:
Yes you can Bill.. And I know what colors that wagon is aiming at



metaphorically speeking I'm color blind. I don't allow my bias to stereotype people but they do fit certin catagories I deem a danger to freedom and equality.


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PS.. I am offended at your kiss my ass comment as I am not your type.. I like women..



A gay friend once said to me, "I'm more man than you will ever be and more woman than you will ever get." I about pissed myself laughing.

Be offended.. I don't care.
84Bill NOV 12, 03:24 PM

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Originally posted by DRA:
I do not see where these people have been injured and or denied equal treatment by someone.



Did you actually read the part of the business website that reads.


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Garden Guy was just a mom-and-pop landscaping business that promoted itself as "making Houston beautiful since 1991" and promised to treat its customers with respect and honesty.



They were honest but far from "respectful" when they denied services due to a sexual preference bias... What next? Blond hair and blue eyes? Tatoos? BUCK TEETH?
isthiswhereiputausername? NOV 12, 03:32 PM

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Originally posted by 84Bill:


A gay friend once said to me, "I'm more man than you will ever be and more woman than you will ever get." I about pissed myself laughing.

Be offended.. I don't care.



so your a morphodite? Too much info bill.. I always thought you were a big queer....now you took away any doubt..

PS.. I wont be coming into this thread anymore as you admitting that is creeping me out..

84Bill NOV 12, 03:33 PM

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Originally posted by pokeyfiero:
Hate doesn't run our streets rampant Bill. Ignorance does seem to be trotting along. If Cliff were to take this forums extremists veiws as a representation of how people really are it would be a shame. Of course I do live in a very tolorant state where we are very used to seeing different things.



I will ALWAYS take the extreme when it comes to defending equality and fair treatemt in the United States because that is what this country is all about.. PEOPLE who have no interest in defending others rights to fair and impartial treatment without regard to self. I joined the serice and was willing to die FOR EVERYONE.. not just a few here, a few there or my own reasons.. but for America and Americans.

I am a MILITANT in every sense of the word when it comes to defending the rights of people to fair treatment and I'm damn proud of that.

AGAIN
John can hate gays... I don't care.. but he can not OPENLY discriminate against them and at the same time be a public entity. Thats not America.. thats as bad as hating "niggers" because they are black and most call those types "neo-nazis." I call them wackos and john is a wacko too.

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84Bill NOV 12, 03:35 PM

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Originally posted by isthiswhereiputausername?:
so your a morphodite? Too much info bill.. I always thought you were a big queer....now you took away any doubt..

PS.. I wont be coming into this thread anymore as you admitting that is creeping me out..



LOL
What would I do without the sensibility of a few idiots? As odd as it sounds I have to respect it.
DRA NOV 12, 03:58 PM

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Originally posted by 84Bill:


They were honest but far from "respectful" when they denied services due to a sexual preference bias... What next? Blond hair and blue eyes? Tatoos? BUCK TEETH?



I would rather they be honest and in my mind that does make them respectful of me, now if they had lied to me and told me they had no problem servicing me and then telling their friends how they really felt, I feel that would be disrespectful. If lieing about ones beleifs (no matter how backward I perceive them) is seen as the respectful path to take then I guess I'm not a very respectable guy.

They had the respect and honesty to tell the people why they were refusing to bid on the job, they did not jack their price to avoid getting the contract, they did not take a job they knew they would not WANT to do, they are being punished or at least ridiculed for their beliefs as much or more than the couple they refused to give a bid.

I am in no way saying my opinion or thoughts are the end all final word on ANY subject, sometimes things aren't just cut and dry and I realize that. I would hope that that would make me a more tolerant and understanding person but it does not negate my core beliefs.
The idea that tolerance is in any way related to enabling or endorsing something or negating my own beliefs is not my way of thinking.
If the lanscaper had burned down the couples house and hung them I would agree they were quite intollerant, but the fact that they choose not to associate themselves with someone because of that persons lifestyle, race, national origin, or religous beliefs does not scream intolorence to me. It simply tells me they are very dedicated to their own beliefs, right or wrong, and as long as they are not forcing their personal beliefs on others I have no problem with it.

And I am listening to your point of view and opinion on the subject, you are entitled to your opinions and beliefs and I quite honestly don't have a problem with the way you feel about the subject but also know that you are no more right or wrong than I am. It is a personal preference in the way we percieve things and feel about them, there will always be one or more desenting opinions on everything.