Five against one. Fair fight? Perhaps not. (Page 13/26)
DRA JUN 02, 01:07 AM

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Originally posted by Raydar:


As if to minimize the Marine's courage? Makes me wonder.

As for the "some of his previous posts" comment, I would tend to agree. Sorry.




I would draw the line at saying I'm sorry for voicing my opinion, Patrick has not apoligized for voicing his opinion and I see no reason for him to.
I thought part of the point here was to voice our opinions in a semi-civil manner. LOL

At no point is everyone gonna agree on everything, just don't work that way but that does not mean that if your in the minority you should not at least get to voice that opinion, and in doing so one should not apoligize for having done it!
GonsaiPK JUN 02, 01:07 AM
I think what is meant by the "some of his previous posts" comment, Patrick, is that they assume (wrongly) you'll take some ludicrously far-left position on everything, and they will interpret your posts as such.

Also, I see what you're saying, that it's crazy when a teenage girl who wouldn't fit the typical profile of a gang member and mugger makes the bad, bad choice she made.

EDIT: Oh yeah, Patrick, your 139th rating is a + from me, just 'cause I give them out to people who I think don't deserve negs.

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DRA JUN 02, 01:18 AM

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Originally posted by Patrick:


Fine, but where do you draw the line? Why report the guy was a Marine? Why report he was a guy? Why report he was a cook? Why report a knife was used? Why report it happened in Atlanta?

Should every male ex-Marine living in Atlanta working as a cook who’s ever used a knife be offended or pleased or what?

Interestingly enough, two facts that were never mentioned (in any news reports I’ve read) were that both the Marine and the girl were black. What will some of you read into that? Am I now being racist?



When I said the facts were irrelavent I meant that to me it did not matter about the size of the perps, the race of the perps, the physical condition of the perps, the ages, etc........

It don't matter to me if the person defending themselves was a male or female, an exotic dancer or an ex navy seal.

The facts should be reported, and reported accurately but the fact that she was a young girl is irrelevant to me. To me she was just another thug.

As far as the dismay some may feel that a young woman would be involved in such an incident, well it does not suprise me in the least.
Fastback 86 JUN 02, 02:34 AM

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Originally posted by Patrick:

As I’ve already stated earlier on this page, I felt it was newsworthy that a pregnant 17 year old girl was participating in armed robbery. Somehow this is being turned around by many people to appear that I felt she should’ve received “special consideration”. I don’t know how many more ways I can state that this was never my intention.




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Fastback, thanks for stating that.

I just checked over the ratings I’ve given people on this forum, and there’s a grand total of 20 people I’ve given negatives to over the years. Most of those people are not even members here anymore. Believe it or not, not one person involved in this thread has ever received a negative from me. Honest. However, as you might imagine, that could change.

What really galls me are all the ignorant spineless cowards who look over a couple of posts in a thread and then give people negative ratings. They haven’t got the guts or the brains to engage in a rational discussion, but they nonetheless rate people at the slightest whim.

I’d like to see who has real balls here. Who has given me a negative rating due to what has been stated in this thread?



On the first point, I missed what you had posted earlier on the page. I can't speak for everyone, but my misinterpretation came from the wording of your first post. When you used the phrase "just to keep some perspective," it appeared to me that you found it more important that a pregnant teen girl died than that she was part of a steet gang trying to rob an innocent man at gun point. I realize now, of course, that you just wanted to bring the info about the girl up because it definately is out of the ordinary and rather disheartening.

On the second point, I agree completely. I note, with little surprise, that only one person has posted how they rated you , and it was a +
jstricker JUN 02, 08:24 AM
Patrick,

I haven't looked at this thread since it was first posted. I honestly couldn't figure out how the thing got to 4 pages so I looked at it again. I haven't changed my rating for you one way or the other because of this thread.

You say that you made the comment because "I felt it was newsworthy that a pregnant 17 year old girl was participating in armed robbery. " Then you turn around and say " Sorry if it wrecks the illusion of some 6'5" 350lb muscle-bound guy being handed his ass.". I'm sorry man, but those two statements together give me the right to form an opinion of what you meant. Your previous posts in other threads also add to the formation of that opinion. It's the way the human mind works. We take current experiences and add them to what we know of history and make an (hopefully) informed opinion. Sometimes those opinions are on the mark, sometimes they are way off the mark.

Now it's certainly appropriate for you to come back if you think your statements are being misinterpreted and explain them (or argue them) so people understand what it is you really meant. After all, you're the only one that really knows.

All of that I have no quarrel with you on. I don't even care if you DID mean that the victim was a wimp because he got in a knife fight with a pregnant teenage girl, if that's your opinion, and you're entitled to it.

Then Uaana said "FOA.

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Ya, I think most of us can see maybe that's what Patrick was saying.

Unfortunately some of his previous posts have probably colored peoples opinions of him and his posts.

Just my 2c


and you took great offense to it. Now that I really don't understand. You are a very left wing liberal. You rarely miss an opportunity to tell us poor dumb Americans how we're doing it wrong. That, my friend, is a fact based on your posting history. That fact definitely adds a certain slant to your original post, whether you want it to or not.

Patrick, you and I have debated often. Be honest, when I post something, do you or do you not have a pre-conceived notion of my political stand? If I were to type a statement like "Even arguing abortion rights is stupid", and knowing my past posting history, wouldn't that change what you presumed my meaning of that statement to be?

You wrote a very amibiguous line with your first post. People interpreted that based on both what you wrote in it, and what you've written in the past. That's nothing that you can be particularly mad or unhappy about, it's the way we make our decisions and how we understand things. To be frank, I personally think a lot of what you've written since has been a load of BS. If what you really meant was that it was just a tragedy that one of the attackers was a teenage pregnant (as reported at that time) girl, then you would have said so, right away, when it was obvious people were taking your post wrong instead of :

"Why so defensive? I simply stated a fact from the above link.

Sorry if it wrecks the illusion of some 6'5" 350lb muscle-bound guy being handed his ass."

Once the lynch mob began to form, then you made "further clarification" as the news media would say. But whatever, that's your choice, you've attempted to explain what you meant and I take you at your word. I just don't understand your surprise at being hammered from the beginning. Your outrage and anger at being ganged up on, sure, but not your surprise.

John Stricker

Yep, you still have the same rating from me you had before, and it's not a negative.


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Originally posted by Patrick:


My response was to counteract the sensationist heading of the original news story, “Midtown Rambo; Victim Fight Backs, Kills Robber” and two posts by DtheC at the beginning of this thread. Both the news heading and the posts by DtheC seemed to me to be glorifying the killing of the robber. By making it clear that the robber was not some huge guy, not some hardened criminal, I was only attempting to take some of the “glory” out of the killing. The "handed his ass" part was actually paraphrased from one of DtheC's posts. If you saw the video I referred to in a previous post of the Marine, you’d know that even he would probably be horrified to be compared to “Rambo” in this situation.
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Formula88 JUN 02, 08:46 AM

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Originally posted by Patrick:
By making it clear that the robber was not some huge guy, not some hardened criminal, I was only attempting to take some of the “glory” out of the killing.



How do you define "hardened criminal?" Now you're making an assumption based on what you consider a "hardened criminal" that this teenage girl wasn't THAT bad. Surly not as bad as a "hardened criminal" right? How do you know what type of criminal she was? Provide evidence of this.

Who suggested there was any "glory" in the killing?
Interesting that you called it a "killing" as if to make it sound like the Marine set out to kill someone on purpose.

No one suggested the robber was a guy or girl, huge or small, hardened or softened . I saw it as a criminal thug who got killed trying to rob someone. No glory, just one less criminal on the street.

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Raydar JUN 02, 09:41 AM

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Originally posted by Patrick:
Another cheap shot with nothing to back it up. Thanks Raydar.



Okay. fine. Here's one example.
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum6/HTML/041885.html

Specifically...
"Nick, read over your last five posts as if for the first time. Is this the same kind-hearted softie who starts a new thread in O/T and cries everytime his dog farts?"

Pretty obnoxious. And probably where you earned the neg you got from me. It certainly wasn't this thread.

Just an observation...
In many threads you seem to shoot from the hip with the objective of being abrasive, then if/when people get all chapped, you say that you were "misunderstood". (No. I'm not going to supply a link. Go search for yourself. I would encourage others to do the same if they feel so motivated. Or not.)
Many of your posts seem to be purpously ambiguous, so that you can "backtrack" if people get torqued, but still allowing you to be as rude as you want until someone calls you on it.
I'm not buying it.

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UDLOSE JUN 02, 11:21 AM

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Originally posted by jstricker:

Patrick,
You are a very left wing liberal. You rarely miss an opportunity to tell us poor dumb Americans how we're doing it wrong. That, my friend, is a fact based on your posting history. That fact definitely adds a certain slant to your original post, whether you want it to or not.




BINGO!!!

For your info, I had you at a negative yrs ago.
UDLOSE JUN 02, 11:23 AM

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Originally posted by Raydar:


Okay. fine. Here's one example.
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum6/HTML/041885.html

Specifically...
"Nick, read over your last five posts as if for the first time. Is this the same kind-hearted softie who starts a new thread in O/T and cries everytime his dog farts?"

Pretty obnoxious. And probably where you earned the neg you got from me. It certainly wasn't this thread.

Just an observation...
In many threads you seem to shoot from the hip with the objective of being abrasive, then if/when people get all chapped, you say that you were "misunderstood". (No. I'm not going to supply a link. Go search for yourself. I would encourage others to do the same if they feel so motivated. Or not.)
Many of your posts seem to be purpously ambiguous, so that you can "backtrack" if people get torqued, but still allowing you to be as rude as you want until someone calls you on it.
I'm not buying it.




ANOTHER 1!!!
JohnnyK JUN 02, 11:45 AM

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Originally posted by Wichita:


From what I understand, the girl wasn't pregnant, she was a part of a terrorist robbing crew, they even drove a brand new 2007 Cadillac, meaning they robbed quite a few people.

I'm pretty sure 17 year olds get pregnant in Canada as well. Especially Vancouver, because its one if not the most crime ridden city in Canada.



Bahahhahahhahahhhahahhahahaha.. I'll assume that was a joke, if so, I'll give you props for the 'terrorist robbing crew'.. But if it wasn't a joke, I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.