modified 4 cylinders getting better fuel mileage then v8s not necessarily. But your just a grease monkey working at a lube shop. Maybe you would know something about gearing and torque.

LOL
engineers reinventing the wheel. I wonder how many engineers are you putting down on here. The engineers that built your car are idiots i bet. And you love the car they "engineered" HA HA LOL

So because you rebuilt and engine makes you know everything about it. i bet the same goes with every shadetree mechanic that has rebuilt an engine.

So when my g/f puts a wheel on a car, she knows that the wheel makes the car roll down the street. But she has no clue about the physical forces that are acting upon the wheel. I bet you share the same intelligence.

"wheel comes off, it rolls, wheel goes back on" I'm a genious now

and whats up with the pissed off attitude, did i offend your intelligence

btw, theres no boost at idle. you should look up on how a turbo works.

I can drive on the highway, with a turbo car, and have it at WOT, without having any boost.

Oh ya , you put a turbo on a car and remove it for a living, so you know how they work, my bad

Pro Class - NHRA
5-3 with Chevrolet Cavalier
5-4 with GMC Sonoma Truck
Points Finish - 2nd

Did not compete in first race of season (Gainesville).

Competed at Englishtown, Atco, Houston and Reading with GMC Sonoma Truck.

No. 1 qualifier at Atco.

Ran an elapsed time of 7.287 seconds at 186.90 mph with Sonoma to become the world's quickest 4-cylinder drag vehicle.

Competed at Dallas, Woodburn, Sonoma, Englishtown and Pomona with rear-wheel drive Chevrolet Cavalier.

Won at Woodburn.

No. 1 qualifier at Woodburn and Pomona.

Ran a career best elapsed time of 6.993 seconds at 197.67 mph at Pomona.

Crashed at Sonoma (minor damage).

Crashed at Pomona (transported to Pomona Valley Hospital). Will undergo rehab in Indianapolis.

2) You can turbo/whatever a stock 4 banger and make it faster than a V8. Congratulations. You could also turbo a stock V8 and blow the doors off that turbo 4 banger. Theres no replacement for displacement.

3) Your wonderful Eagle was not only canceled like the Fiero, but the company went under too. The 3000GT AWD was also canceled. In fact, the only AWDs left that aren't trucks or vans are Subarus, and every Subaru for the last 30+ years has been AWD. Says a lot about the staying power of that set up. I'd hate to think how much power loss there is on your 10 year old technology Talons and what not due to the elaborate driveline.

4) The Fiero was a commuter car, not a sports car like the Talon. It was canceled before the Talon ever came out. They were not meant to compete. The Fiero was never meant to be a 600hp monster, or even a 200hp one (minus the '90 prototype), whereas the Talon had that potential. So it takes a rather special effort to make a Fiero a monster, not flipping through the latest APC catalog or whatever. Further, the Fiero has a rather weak FWD transmission that was never meant to handle 600hp. Its not rated for more than 220 or so tops by the manufacturer. Your Talon is rated for a lot more. Finally, in case you haven't noticed, the aftermarket for Fiero's is extremely limited, as modding them is not comparatively common. Parts for Fiero's are unique and aren't a dime a dozen like they are for some of the more popular imports like your Talon because there isn't the same demand for them.

The gist: A 2005 Vette with 4 More liters of displacement, 4 More cylinders, 205 More Horsepower, and 197 More lb-ft of Torque gets the SAME CITY GAS MILAGE as the '92 Talon TSI and 3-7MPG BETTER HIGHWAY MILAGE.

1992 Eagle Talon
4cyl 2.0l DOHC Turbo AWD
195HP, 203lb-ft Tq.

Premium Pump Gas
4spd Auto: 18mpg City, 21mpg Highway
5spd Manual: 20mpg City, 25mpg Highway.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymake/Eagle1992.shtml

2005 Chevrolet Corvette
8cyl 6.0l Pushrod N/A
400HP, 400lb-ft Tq.

Premium Pump Gas
4spd Auto: 18mpg City, 26mpg Highway
6spd Manual: 18mpg City, 28mpg Highway

Hey man, its going. Banged up the car a little a few weeks ago. Need a new control arm. and I busted the return line for the remote water pump. So I gotta drop it to fix it. Just need some time and money. While its out I wanna cam it and port the heads. With the rr's I should see around 360-380 at the wheels. Ill keep the N2O also. So figure close to 500 at the wheels on the spray Should be a fun little car!!

Oh, I joined the airforce too. Dunno if ill be at the dells next yr.

Just as my age and being in school has nothing to do with what I know or how I came to know it how does his occupation affect his inteligence? You can have a phd and work at mc donalds...

I will agree the gm 6 speeds do get awsome mileage but since everyone else was bringing it up the technology is better. higher gearing for a lower rpm crusing speed with sufficient torque to move the car along with more precise fuel management.

You "bet" the engineers that built our cars are idiots eh? running the times that we have listed above on the stock bottom end seems to show otherwise. We never said we know everything about engines, we know how they work on the physical level and how to keep them from coming apart. You seem to care more about you knowing the chemical makeup of the grease on the engine so you can say you know more about it than anyone else. You know what? Nobody ****ing cares. Anybody can read an internet article about the physical forces acting on a wheel, or even go to one of those new fangled libraries and figure it out. To be honest I dont care about that either, I know what I need to do to make the car fast and I do it, simple enough.

No boost at idle, rev it up off idle. I know how turbo's work, you make them out to be some super mystical object that nobody can understand. They are an air pump, a power adder, just like nitrous or a supercharger. Nothing more. Your car must have one hellova big turbo then or the speed limit on the highway is about 15mph cause if I lay into it at anything more than 2k rpms it has boost. More exhaust going out of the car, the faster the turbo spins, low rpms or low throttle conditions will limit the airflow going through the turbine side of the turbocharger and thus will have insufficient energy to provide more airflow on the intake side of the turbo than the engine is consuming and thus no boost. There, how's that for a stupid simple explanation of it...

You continue calling us and our cars ricers, yet you seem unwilling to race and backup that statement. So when I said show me the list of cars that run 8's in street trim you show me a list of gay drag strip only cars, cant find any that run 8's in street trim? how bout 9's or 10's? I know there are some in the 10's...

fastback 86- I stated the talon was cancled, obviously it was a loosing investment for them. However if you think subaru's are the only cars with awd now you are sadly mistaken. Mitsu currently has 3 flavors of the evo to try if you want to play with a fast car; base evo, MR, and RS. Mitsu's still use basically the same awd setup as they have from the evo 1's, works fine....

I am not bagging on fieros man, I love the cars. I dont know why everyone is thinking we are. I know how lucky I am to have huge aftermarket support and lots of online help.

I am not being unique, to this i will agree. However building a badass v8 for a mustang or camaro isn't exactly unquie either. I bought this talon for its versitility and its ability to take to mods without needing expensive engine internal upgrades right away, I did not buy it because I think v8's suck, but a high powered rwd v8 + bad weather = me in ditch, not cool...

i work in a real shop, im not a lube monkey. i have pictures of both of my cars and sean has pictures of his. mine may not look the greatest, but at least i have proof. you don't even have any pictures of your fiero on the webpage. hiding something? or are you just sore cause your thunderbird is slow?