Colored folks, this is a joke people, not being racist (Page 13/17)
Mach10 DEC 03, 10:35 PM
I can think of a better use for a hatchet...

Like... Maybe... As a lever to extricate L44's head from his keister.

DotTC DEC 03, 11:24 PM
 
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Originally posted by Mach10:

I can think of a better use for a hatchet...

Like... Maybe... As a lever to extricate L44's head from his keister.

L44 started out his days on the forum causing trouble, Its no suprise he's still doing it.

Songman DEC 04, 11:14 AM
I guess I will just bow my head in shame and go kill myself... Mach 10 said I was SOOOOO WRONG without telling me why I am so wrong... Funny that all of my black friends don't think I am so wrong. I was standing in my kitchen just a few weeks ago with a friend of mine and we were talking about my Southern ancestors and his grandmother who came over as a slave... The two of us were talking about how far we had come... It is the idiots who can't let it go that perpetuate the hatred...

Continue to think I am wrong all you want, Mach... I don't have to deal with you. My friends know me for who I am and don't have to throw out their 'psychological prowess' to make them feel better than everyone else. We're just guys hanging out and being friends... No colors, no barriers, no races... I wish some of you guys on the other side of the fence that breed so much hatred could do the same thing. The world really would be a better place.

Call me wrong again and make yourself feel all clean and holy. I won't bother with this again. I liked the other thread where there were actually facts being used better.

Voytek DEC 04, 12:32 PM
 
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Originally posted by Wudman:

First, you are not the only one to bring up BET in here. Second, are you saying that you consider BET to be racist? If so, please say so as you have your right to your opinion on this, but I would like to know. Third, I have heard many who have said they think BET's programming is racist. I have to admit, I don't watch much BET and didn't, even when I had a zillion satellite stations pumped into my cabin.

Instead of lamenting a lack "WET", you could turn on one of VIACOM's other networks like CMT while working for an ideal "WET". In my opinion, "WET" for the most part, is represented by dozens, if not hundreds of channels. I doubt the main reason there is not a single network "WET" is that someone might think it is racist. Clearly, despite the railing against BET, the "WTE" (in this case, White Television Executives) figure there is a buck to be made.

As far as my credibility with you being diminished, thanks for acknowledging I had some at all, with you at least. Now what a faulty argument has to do with my post about VIACOM and suggesting who those that have a problem with BET should whine to, is beyond me.

Since you want to bring up your specific comment about how "WET" would be considered racist. I wouldn't really care if you had a "WET" and it was sponsored by the KKK. Those who would pay to support that programming have the same right as BET, VIACOM, you or I do when it comes to the First Amendment and a few more when it comes to cable programming.

The only thing is that it takes money to broadcast them on a national scale. I, as well as you have a right to navigate around those channels that have programming we don't appreciate. Some TVs even let you delete the offending channels.

Now if your ideal "WET" is going to fail before it gets out of the box because some group(s) finds it distasteful, I guess it doesn't deserve channel space as of yet. BET is a cable network that seems to be thriving despite that clearly, some folks are mad because they don't have a "WET" to promote programming that is, for a lack of better term, "Euro-American" specific.

In BETs case, people seem to ignore who owns BET and claim reverse discrimination as what is keeping some ideal version of "WET" down. Many also ignore the overwhelming amount of programming directed at non-whites and no one has even flinched when it comes to Spanish language network programming that dwarfs BET as an example.

I wonder if the same objection to BET, which is really what "I don't have "WET" is about, works with Univision or Telemundo as the example of ethnically centered programming that is supported by ad revenues? It seems that targeting BET is generally off base considering the following:

"HOUSTON -- In New York, Los Angeles and Chicago, the No. 1 network for nightly news among adults ages 18 to 34 is not ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox or CNN.

It is the Spanish-language network Univision."

I mean really, Spanish language programming has to be more evil that BET is on it's most militant day! Imagine the audacity of programming in this country in a language other than "proper English" that represents the fastest growing minority and political block in the country. It would seem, that at the very minimum, Spanish programming on that scale encourages people that live here not to learn American, I mean "proper English".


By the way, I enjoy Spanish language television, when I get to watch cable or sat TV. It helps with my project to rehabilitate my Spanish and the women are so, well, so fun to watch. For the most part, I prefer TV that tells me something new, whether than be a history, science or public network. Okay, I like Junkyard wars as well.

My point is that in the many boards that I have had this same discussion on, including PFF, no one has ever once mentioned these networks when they whine about how their ideal "WET" is being held down by some groups idea of what is and is not racist programming. (Which I think is different than programming that is generally exclusive or ethnically centered.)

If you get someone to fund "WET", more power to it. I might tune in to put my finger on the pulse of the community that supports that network. In the meantime, I will have to occasionally tune in Rush L. for a semi-articulate expression of that idealism.


You are even more naive than I thought.

Let me answer your question first because you misunderstood again: no, I don't consider BET racist. I don't shout 'racism' all the time like some minority groups, HOWEVER, what I DO consider racist is the fact that WET would never be ALLOWED by politicians AND minority groups.

Which brings me to my first point: saying 'go ahead, open your all-white station, I don't care' is like saying 'go ahead, fly to Mars if you want'. The point? Both are impossible for the time being. One because of RACISM and one due to physical barriers.

Voytek DEC 04, 12:39 PM
 
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Originally posted by Mach10:

Ah hell, I can't resist; One last comment;

Of what, 40 available channels, you have *ONE* "black" network, one "hispanic" network, and 38 White Entertainment Networks.

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU COMPLAINING ABOUT?!?

Oh, I forgot, Fox, NBC etc are SO not catered to white people
Or did they re-cast Friends to include visible minorities?

Oh, and FYI, most children are born white, regardless of race; Melanin production only usually starts a few days after birth. We ALL come out the same.

[This message has been edited by Mach10 (edited 12-03-2003).]

Mach, Mach, Mach. We can always count on a Canadian to say something stupid.

First, if I'm not mistken, African Americans make up less than 10% of the US population (somebody can correct me if I'm wrong but it may even be less than that). So it is no wonder that most networks are mostly white. Duh.

Second, you missed the point as well. Nobody is complaining about having BET. HELL, I LOVE stand up comedy and BET seems to have plenty of it. Truth be told, I occasionally watch that channel just for that reason.

Like someone already pointed out, the only channels on TV are the ones that make money. You can point out as many 'white' stations as you want and they will be there as long as they make money.

I assume I don't have to explain the other point again (why we don't have WET) because you've read my reply to Wudman (above).

Songman DEC 04, 01:48 PM
People also seem to forget that BET is not the only 'black' TV station. They are just the only one with it in the name. Look at the networks. A good portion of sitcoms are now based around black characters. And it the percentage is growing every year. I'm not offended by that... But don't talk about all the 'white' networks...
Steve Normington DEC 04, 02:01 PM
 
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Originally posted by Voytek:

First, if I'm not mistken, African Americans make up less than 10% of the US population (somebody can correct me if I'm wrong but it may even be less than that).

12.9% according to the 2000 Census.

Mach10 DEC 06, 05:01 PM
Songman: What the hell are you talking about? I admire your ability to sit off in your corner and deny that racism is a deep-rooted problem in BOTH of our societies. Just because black people can sit on the same bus as a white person doesn't mean that the social problems are solved. It is there, wether you want to admit it or not. And if running away makes you feel better, go right ahead. But it is naive to even hope that the problem of racism has gone away.

Voytek: What on earth does the actual African population of the US have to do with anything?
Do you have ANY concept of irony? Did it not occur to you, in your infinite wisdom, that it may have been tongue-in-cheek?

Taijiguy DEC 06, 06:34 PM
Oh I must be insane to put my pecker in this guillotine, but I can't help myself.

Some things that I've noticed:

There's a United Negro College Fund, but no United Caucasion college fund. Why not?

There's an entire month dedicated to "african american" heritage, but none dedicated to caucasions, Italians, Hispanics, Scottish, Asian, or anyone else I can think of (for sure not us Crackers) for that matter. Why not?

"African Americans" want to be considered as equal and want to "be accepted", then why do such a large number of the most outspoken go out of their way to be as different, offensive, and disagreeable as they can?

Why is it that seemingly every single incident involving a white person and person of color is "racially motivated" but that never means where the person of color was the one who was prejudiced?

Why are there laws to give "minorities" favoritism in all kinds of areas? Where is the "equality" in that?

Here's an observation I've made that I think everyone better come to terms with: Associating a person with their skin color is not racism. And it will ALWAYS exist. As long as we have an ocular sense, and will be called on to describe a person in their physical appearance, skin color will ALWAYS be one of the quallifying characteristics. It's not racist, it's effective use of a descriptive characteristic. Jeeze. Get over yourselves already. If a person wants to be treated equally, then they should act like an adult and quit crying every single time someone steps on their toe a little bit. It's as if we're all supposed to walk around on eggshells to protect someone else from their oversensitivity.
Oh, and as for jokes....what's the assumption in a joke when race, creed, color, or religion isn't specified? Uh, hello? Causcasion? Maybe us white boys should form up and protest all jokes that aren't directed at a specific group since that only leaves the rest of us. Oh, wait, a world without jokes. Yeah, that's where we're headed.

Mach10 DEC 06, 06:43 PM
Taji: I can't talk for what goes on in the states, but up here, if you want a college fund started, you get a bunch of people together, dump some money into it, and it's there. All of our "funds" are started by individuals, the exception being the Aboriginal ones. But those are apparantly tied into various treaties.