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Wichita
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FEB 05, 03:51 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
In America, the overwhelming vast majority of our illegal immigrants are Mexican. Being Latino or Hispanic is not a race, and therefore is not racist. You can call it bigotted, but it's not racist.
There are white Hispanics (Argentine, Cuba, Uruguay, Chile), there are black Hispanics (Dominican Republic, Honduras), and there are native indian Hispanics (Guatemala, Peru, Mexico)... generally speaking of course. The Spaniards had sex with pretty much everyone they ran into, so there's a lot of mixing in there too. |
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Being bigoted doesn't make it any less benevolent than racism. And many people are intolerant bigots to economic refugees in our country. But they portray themselves "righteous" and some even proclaiming they have the voice and hand of "Jesus Christ", yet they express huge disdain and bigotry to economic refugees, which is basically boiled down to racism.
If you had a huge number of economic refugees from Canada or Europe that happen to be of the Caucasian mix, there wouldn't be the outcry there is now on these suppose "illegal immigrants breaking the law".... No! They are economic refugees trying to survive and make a better life for their families. But they speak another language and they have darker skin and have a different de facto culture and that is what makes people uncomfortable. It has nothing to do with that they are here illegally working at McDonalds making Happy Meals for your Ritalin induced bratty kids.I It's because they look different than your fat white butt. Where is the Christian heart when it comes to this? Nope! Because most people are racist, bigots and homophobes. The so called kind heart of Jesus Christ takes a back seat... hell, thrown out the window for many so called Christians when it comes to other people who are not like them.[This message has been edited by Wichita (edited 02-05-2012).]
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maryjane
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FEB 05, 03:53 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Gridlock:
Yes, the post is for sure more offensive on the basis of bigotry, not racism. There may be a racist rant in his original post, I just can't understand what he's saying to know if there is or not.
For people that are looking to provide more excuses for Stan, I don't think he means "hey, I f'ing love these guys!" when you combine the word moslem with "athiest queers"
I think the best post in this thread is the one that descibes the double standard of as long as he doesn't offend your personal group, its ok.
In my mind, providing an acceptable outlet for bigotry and hate and general offense to people is as bad as being that yourself, or saying it with your own mouth, or writing.
Read closely, because that's not a knock on Cliff, that's a knock on every bigoted member of this forum(of which there are many) saying, "oh, its just Stan"
I've been a member since 2002. That's 10 years I've been logging into PFF off and on, and for the last 8 I haven't even owned a Fiero. I took a break for a few years, and come back and notice a significantly more negative tone in O.T. Maybe its the fact that a lot of other people have already left? I don't know. I do know that right now, I don't really want to post here, or read excuses for hate like its acceptable.
This isn't a "poor me" statement at all. I guess I'm just putting out there that if this is the level of acceptability for statements such as this, then I guess I'm left to vote with my feet and actions. |
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Hopefully, it's not "with your feet". Stick around--fight for that which you believe in. Silence changes nothing and presents the false facade of acceptance.
I haven't yet publicly stated my view on the subject line and the rhetoric in the opening post, but will now.
I hate political correctness, and disdain sucking ass--I really do, but there's a limit to what I find acceptable adult even in that regard.
The title and following post are deplorable and disgusting to read. He has valid points perhaps regarding how protests silenced someone, and tho I did understand exactly what he was trying to say in regards to Gen Boykins' , I see no reason it had to be or should have been said in that manner other than theatrics and sesationalism. Having said that, I can't get inside his head so I have no idea whther is is a racist, bigot, or just seeking attention, but either way, I still feel the same regarding the 1st sentence in this paragraph, and will go one step further by saying I think in light of this being a family friendly forum, that the opening post qualifies the writer for at least a temporary suspension as others have recieved when they pushed the limits of rules and good taste. I would hope, should I ever post a thread title of the same nature, that "someone" reads me the riot act in no uncertain terms.
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Patrick
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FEB 05, 03:55 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Who's the other guy? It's not me is it?
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No no no...
I think your political views suck, but I don't find you personally to be vile and offensive. 
No, unfortunately the guy is a fellow Canadian. If nothing else, it at least proves that it isn't only Americans who can be full of themselves. (Calm down fellas, I'm just teasing y'all.)
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twofatguys
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FEB 05, 04:17 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Wichita:
Being bigoted doesn't make it any less benevolent than racism. And many people are intolerant bigots to economic refugees in our country. But they portray themselves "righteous" and some even proclaiming they have the voice and hand of "Jesus Christ", yet they express huge disdain and bigotry to economic refugees, which is basically boiled down to racism.
If you had a huge number of economic refugees from Canada or Europe that happen to be of the Caucasian mix, there wouldn't be the outcry there is now on these suppose "illegal immigrants breaking the law".... No! They are economic refugees trying to survive and make a better life for their families. But they speak another language and they have darker skin and have a different de facto culture and that is what makes people uncomfortable. It has nothing to do with that they are here illegally working at McDonalds making Happy Meals for your Ritalin induced bratty kids.I It's because they look different than your fat white butt. Where is the Christian heart when it comes to this? Nope! Because most people are racist, bigots and homophobes. The so called kind heart of Jesus Christ takes a back seat... hell, thrown out the window for many so called Christians when it comes to other people who are not like them.
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Mexico has a country south of them in worse economic shape than them. Guatemalans illegally immigrating into Mexico was a huge problem for Mexico when I was down there.
I personally couldn't tell the difference between the Guatemalans and the Mexicans by looks, or by dress. They did talk a little different though. The Guatemalans would illegally enter Mexico, and work for less money than the legal residents of Mexico.
They were hated by most people in Mexico, they looked the same, acted the same, had similar traditions and manners of speaking.
There is evidence to me that was Canada the economic disaster that Mexico is, and we had a huge immigration problem from Canada that we would be just as vocal against Canadians as we are Mexicans*.
Thankfully Canada is self supporting, and unlike us most of the time is a good neighbor.
Brad
*"Mexican" is meant in this post to mean Hispanic in general. I know there is a difference, but was trying to simplify a bit.
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Gridlock
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FEB 05, 04:20 PM
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Ok, let's not even get bogged down in the racist side.
There is at least one gay member here that I know of(and probably more if stats hold-I don't know, do we have a lot of republican congressmen on the forum?) that gets to read about how he's a child molester.
"because athiest,child moslesting queers"
I can't even begin to start dissecting his post, and what is right and wrong about it. I don't want to. It's crap.
Fine, I'll leave out the "I get the impression bs" part and make a clear and easy to follow statement: It's hate filled.
And after 3 pages, I'm left with the feeling that this **** is accepted in this membership. Is that true, or false. If its false, then do something about it.
I vote to ban Uhlanstan from the forum.
I ask others that agree to join.
Today, here and now, make a stand that despite personal feelings on whatever subject, we as a group will not tolerate racist, bigoted or prejudiced remarks from members of the forum.
And Cliff, I ask that this become a policy of the forum. I ask that this go above the rating system. I don't think a "majority rules" system, ie. ratings will achieve the desired result. I really think we should do something to make sure that ANY member be welcome.
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Nurb432
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FEB 05, 04:21 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
Geez, not even you two outcasts want to include me. I feel so abandoned. 
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but wait, how can you be in a group and still consider yourself an outcast?
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Nurb432
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FEB 05, 04:24 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Gridlock:
I vote to ban Uhlanstan from the forum.
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Ok, ill play.
I vote to NOT ban him and let him continue to rant and express his views. And the same vote goes to anyone else who wants to rant. ( including you.. as calling for a ban on another could earn you one too in the right situation )
Until it becomes personal attacks, i don't have a problem with either side of the coin. Uncalled for personal attacks is my line. ( or obscene.. forgot about that but that isn't the issue we are talking about )
| quote | Originally posted by Gridlock:
I really think we should do something to make sure that ANY member be welcome. |
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Unless they say something you disagree with apparently.[This message has been edited by Nurb432 (edited 02-05-2012).]
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deceler8
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FEB 05, 04:28 PM
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Say what you will about Stan...but here we are at the end of Page 3 just two days later.
Stan's always a good read.------------------
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Raydar
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FEB 05, 04:30 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
Ok, I'll wade in the muck..
1. If anyone here, has EVER given me a + simply because I wore a uniform or served in combat, please, change it. Public acceptance, idolation, respect, or acknowledgment is NOT why I signed up. It's not why teachers teach, why Policemen patrol, firemen fight fires, or medics save lives.
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Since I alluded to this in a previous post, I think that this may be directed at least partially at me.
Relax. I don't give +'s simply because someone served. It's based on my perception of their character, over time.
In fact there are several here, who have served, who have a (IMHO) richly deserved neg. They worked hard for it.
Stan rants. He has his say and shuts up about it. I'm not sure that I even take him completely seriously.
There are some here who are filled with enough hatred and venom, that you could cut it with a knife.
| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
No, unfortunately the guy is a fellow Canadian.
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Who was he before he was banned the first time?
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Patrick
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FEB 05, 04:47 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Raydar:
Who was he before he was banned the first time?
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