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phonedawgz
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DEC 31, 05:36 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
Would you care to answer, or will you just continue to rationalize more, with your "all those wrongs make a right" type garbage?
Everyone does unsafe things while behind the wheel, but almost all admit they are unsafe. Except you. You contend, that because what you do is no more unsafe than another infraction, it is not unsafe at all--hence your "gray" song and dance. |
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I don't believe in the word unsafe. That word is meaningless. Anyone can define it in whatever manner they want and draw their black and white wherever they want. Again that is what my argument is about. What I said is everything has risk. And I have clearly said what I do has risks.
| quote | | You contend... ...it is not unsafe at all |
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Clearly I have said exactly the opposite of this on almost EVERY post I have added to this thread. I am not sure why you think it's somehow proper to put words that you know are not true in my mouth. ANYONE and EVERYONE can look back at my posts on this thread and see that is NOT what I said. ANYONE and EVERYONE can see you are not telling the truth.
Respectfully I expected a higher level of argument from you.
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maryjane
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DEC 31, 06:06 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by phonedawgz:
Yep I saw it. I ignored it and hoped you wouldn't bring it back up.
To compare distractions to impaired driving skills isn't legit. I won't answer arguments to that point. Texting is a distraction. It doesn't impair judgment.. |
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Evidently it does--you have made the judgement that it is just safe enough for you to do it without ever causing grievous injury to others--or yourself. The judgement call to choose to continue to text when it is, by your own admission, a distraction--thus an impairment, says you are simply betting on the odds, betting on other's lives, that you will come out ok.
If the thread were about eating, or drinking coffee while driving, I might be even more adamant that those are distractions and that anyone who continues to do them based on the fact that people use cell phones or text is just a rationalization.
Your entire argument is based upon the degree of distraction in comparison to other distractive practices--period, then become indignant when I make the same comparison to a distraction caused by the physical and mental impairment of intoxication?
My argument is that none of them should be done at any time while behind the wheel of a moving vehicle. I won't even answer my phone sitting at a traffic light and i have no need to look at it to do that--even for a milisecond.
People bring up your morality because you have made a decision to intentionally continue to do something you admit is a distraction, simply because other things are--in your opinion-- more distractive, thus more dangerous to those around that driver. THAT, is rationalization, the same type rationalization street racers and drunks use. That, is no cognizant argument at all. Give it up, before you kill someone.
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1988holleyformula
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DEC 31, 06:20 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
Except you. You contend, that because what you do is no more unsafe than another infraction, it is not unsafe at all--hence your "gray" song and dance. |
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| quote | Originally posted by phonedawgz:
WOW - You really don't get it. I do not say I am a 'safe driver' or 'unsafe driver' because I don't believe in it.
I have NEVER said I am a 'safe driver'.
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 Do people even read phonedawgz' posts before saying things???
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Nurb432
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DEC 31, 06:26 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by phonedawgz:
I've hit two deer that have run out in front of me. Not a whole lot you can do when that happens. Do you refuse to change the station on the radio when driving so you have your eyes always looking forward for deer? Do you refuse to answer your cell phone? Never eat or drink even coffee when driving? |
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Personally I don't answer my phone. I wont talk on it either, even with a hands free device. I dont change stations/songs ( i will at a stop light however ).. and i don't eat in my cars ( yech ). I do drink while on the go, but i can do that without taking my eyes or attention off the road.[This message has been edited by Nurb432 (edited 12-31-2010).]
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phonedawgz
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DEC 31, 06:34 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
Evidently it does--you have made the judgement that it is just safe enough for you to do it without ever causing grievous injury to others--or yourself. The judgement call to choose to continue to text when it is, by your own admission, a distraction--thus an impairment, says you are simply betting on the odds, betting on other's lives, that you will come out ok.
If the thread were about eating, or drinking coffee while driving, I might be even more adamant that those are distractions and that anyone who continues to do them based on the fact that people use cell phones or text is just a rationalization.
Your entire argument is based upon the degree of distraction in comparison to other distractive practices--period, then become indignant when I make the same comparison to a distraction caused by the physical and mental impairment of intoxication?
My argument is that none of them should be done at any time while behind the wheel of a moving vehicle. I won't even answer my phone sitting at a traffic light and i have no need to look at it to do that--even for a milisecond.
People bring up your morality because you have made a decision to intentionally continue to do something you admit is a distraction, simply because other things are--in your opinion-- more distractive, thus more dangerous to those around that driver. THAT, is rationalization, the same type rationalization street racers and drunks use. That, is no cognizant argument at all. Give it up, before you kill someone.
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Well I don't lie to make points in my arguments.
And I surely don't take "morality lessons" from people who do.
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Khw
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DEC 31, 06:41 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by phonedawgz:
If someone could explain how pushing the same number of keystrokes, of needing to still glance at the phone, is somehow black or instead white depending on if it's a text or phone call.
Again I am talking about sending the letter "k" and calling to say OK. Clearly there are quite a number of people here that see one as very black and one as white. It has been said one is 100 times more dangerous than the other.
Now if someone can explain how one of THOSE two actions are 100 times more dangerous, there is a good chance that would convince me not to do it.
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Personally I don't think either is safe. The person calling to say "Ok" should not have been reading the text he received while driving. However that being said, answering a phone to be asked and replying "Ok" is not the same number of keystrokes. It is actually none on a flip phone and one on most other phones (still doesn't make it right as you lose the use of one hand while holding the cell unless you have a hands free device which is one button also). Also, the fact some States have made it illegal and others not is null. The only legislation that takes effect everywhere all at once is Federal and this is not a Federal concern, it is a States concern. California for example passed legislation making it illegal to use your cellphone without a hands free device while driving. Other States have followed suit as it is a problem. I beleive California has also passed a law where if in the Officers judgement you are doing something distracting while driving (eating, putting on make-up, fiddling with your radio) you can be cited (I may be wrong but it was being considered before I moved away). Reality is these laws tend to spread from State to State. Chances are one day all States will have similar laws. Personally while I am in the car I do not text or read a text. If a person calls I will answer unless answering puts me in a unsafe situation (my earbud is in the pocket of my jacket I tossed in the back seat, for example). Although I really hate answering my phone to.[This message has been edited by Khw (edited 12-31-2010).]
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avengador1
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DEC 31, 06:42 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Phonedawgz
I have also stated that even just driving your car is dangerous. It's one of the most dangerous things we do. |
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Add texting on top of driving and what do you get? There certainly is no need to make driving any more dangerous than it already is, that is the point that is being made here. This is such a serious matter that states have passed laws against people doing it, and the fines are meant to match the severity of this.
By the way, I don't allow any food or drink in my car, nor smoking, in case you were wondering.  My car has the audio controls on the steering wheel too. I don't need to take my eyes off the road to change stations or to adjust the volume, although I usually don't have to do those actions anyway. I have a favorite station I can listen to all day and the volume level I listen at is comfortable enough that I don't need to change it either.
When someone is texting and driving their attention is not on the road. This makes an already dangerous situation into an accident waiting to happen. Any car can cause a lot of damage, or even death, at speeds as low as 5 MPH. For those that don't believe this, try running in front of a car doing that speed and see what happens.
It doesn't take a lot of time for things to go really wrong when driving a car. The more one can keep their eyes on the road the better off they are. I have avoided deer running across the road, several times, because I saw them ahead of time and was able to react. In one occasion the car next to me didn't see the deer running across a four lane road and hit it square on. I had enough time to spot it and slow down while the other car was wrecked.
I saw one person in an SUV, one morning on my way to work. He wasn't paying attention and drifted off the roadway into the median. He overcorrected and flipped his vehicle over about three times.
I saw two girls, on their way to a wake, lose control of their vehicle. I was able to slow down enough to avoid them and saw them hit the car next to me broadside. It turns out the girl driving was drunk and she tried everything she could think off to have someone take her away from the scene before the police arrived. I had called the police after stopping to see if anyone needed help.
Some kid pulled out of a driveway right in front of me. I was able to slow down enough that I didn't kill him or total my car. He said he didn't see me, even though I had my headlights on and leaned on the air horns I had in that vehicle. If the road had been dry, I probably would have been able to stop and miss him.
One of the first accidents I saw was a woman who didn't realize someone was passing her. Once she realized the other vehicle was there, she overreacted and spun her car out on the highway. I guess the other vehicle startled her, because she wasn't aware of it being there.
I probably have a close to a Million miles of driving experience and have seen many accidents happen. Most of these were caused because the people weren't paying attention or weren't aware of what was going on around them.
I learned to drive defensively because I started out driving motorcycles. You always have to be on the lookout for what other vehicles are doing around you and you need an escape route, in case they cut you off. Keeping a safe distance also helps. Most drivers don't really notice motorcycle riders. I have taken this style of driving and incorporated it into my car driving style. It has saved me on many occasions.
It all boils down to paying attention to the road and what is going on around one. This is very hard to do if one is distrated by texting or even talking on a cell phone. I will not answer my cellphone while I am driving, unless I have a bluetooth device on me to do this. I would never ever consider texting while I am driving. It is sutpid and extremly dangerous to do so, because it takes one's eyes off the road for too long. This is why the chances of something going horribly wrong increase. There is no gray area about this. If one texts and drives it's just a matter of time before they will be involved in an accident. There are too many people driving out there, who aren't paying enough attention to their driving already. There is no need to make an already bad situation worse by texting, that is just the same as playing Russian Roulette. I'd rather stack the odds in my favor, by not texting, than to decrease them by doing so.[This message has been edited by avengador1 (edited 12-31-2010).]
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phonedawgz
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DEC 31, 06:50 PM
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You also have a problem with telling the truth as stated in your previous posts.
At this point I really don't care what you now say you do or not do. You clearly change what you are saying to make your point. It is quite unfortunate that you also feel the need to make your black and white arguments.
| quote | Originally posted by avengador1:
Add texting on top of driving and what do you get? There certainly is no need to make driving any more dangerous than it already is, that is the point that is being made here. This is such a serious matter that states have passed laws against people doing it, and the fines are meant to match the severity of this.
By the way, I don't allow any food or drink in my car, nor smoking, in case you were wondering. My car has the audio controls on the steering wheel too. I don't need to take my eyes off the road to change stations or to adjust the volume, although I usually don't have to do those actions anyway. I have a favorite station I can listen to all day and the volume level I listen at is comfortable enough that I don't need to change it either.
When someone is texting and driving their attention is not on the road. This makes an already dangerous situation into an accident waiting to happen. Any car can cause a lot of damage, or even death, at speeds as low as 5 MPH. For those that don't believe this, try running in front of a car doing that speed and see what happens.
It doesn't take a lot of time for things to go really wrong when driving a car. The more one can keep their eyes on the road the better off they are. I have avoided deer running across the road, several times, because I saw them ahead of time and was able to react. In one occasion the car next to me didn't see the deer running across a four lane road and hit it square on. I had enough time to spot it and slow down while the other car was wrecked.
I saw one person in an SUV, one morning on my way to work. He wasn't paying attention and drifted off the roadway into the median. He overcorrected and flipped his vehicle over about three times.
I saw two girls, on their way to a wake, lose control of their vehicle. I was able to slow down enough to avoid them and saw them hit the car next to me broadside. It turns out the girl driving was drunk and she tried everything she could think off to have someone take her away from the scene before the police arrived. I had called the police after stopping to see if anyone needed help.
Some kid pulled out of a driveway right in front of me. I was able to slow down enough that I didn't kill him or total my car. He said he didn't see me, even though I had my headlights on and leaned on the air horns I had in that vehicle. If the road had been dry, I probably would have been able to stop and miss him.
One of the first accidents I saw was a woman who didn't realize someone was passing her. Once she realized the other vehicle was there, she overreacted and spun her car out on the highway. I guess the other vehicle startled her, because she wasn't aware of it being there.
I probably have a couple of Million miles of driving experience and have seen many accidents happen. Most of these were caused because the people weren't paying attention or weren't aware of what was going on around them.
I learned to drive defensively because I started out driving motorcycles. You always have to be on the lookout for what other vehicles are doing around you and you need an escape route, in case they cut you off. Keeping a safe distance also helps. Most drivers don't really notice motorcycle riders. I have taken this style of driving and incorporated it into my car driving style. It has saved me on many occasions.
It all boils down to paying attention to the road and what is going on around one. This is very hard to do if one is distrated by texting or even talking on a cell phone. I will not answer my cellphone while I am driving, unless I have a bluetooth device on me to do this. I would never ever consider texting while I am driving. It is sutpid and extremly dangerous to do so, because it takes one's eyes off the road for too long. This is why the chances of something going horribly wrong increase. There is no gray area about this. If one texts and drives it's just a matter of time before they will be involved in an accident. There are too many people driving out there, who aren't paying enough attention to their driving already. There is no need to make an already bad situation worse by texting, that is just the same as playing Russian Roulette. I'd rather stack the odds in my favor, by not texting, than to decrease them by doing so.
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avengador1
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DEC 31, 06:54 PM
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And it is extremly unfortunate that you don't get it. I hope that when your accident occurs you survive and realize how wrong you are. This is the Gospel truth. [This message has been edited by avengador1 (edited 12-31-2010).]
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phonedawgz
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DEC 31, 07:09 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by avengador1:
And it is extremly unfortunate that you don't get it. I hope that when your accident occurs you survive and realize how wrong you are. This is the Gospel truth.
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When Bill Clinton waggled his finger at us and lied, and then later tried to redefine what the words he said were, we all knew he lied. And when you say you don't speed and haven't had a ticket for decades and then I posted where you said a year ago that you try to keep your speeding no more than 10 - 5 mph, clearly we understand what you feel 'the words "The Gospel Truth" means to you. Your words are no more believable than his.
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