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Phranc
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MAY 31, 11:03 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by madcurl:
Actually, Phranc has no valid points with the scriptures. The fact that so-called Christians condoning slavery had more to do with racial hatred, their lack of following biblical scriptures, and advancement in society. Easily performed if you keep the masses illiterate by condemning anyone who dared to translate the scriptures or question their authority and easily enforced if you’ve blessed the King/Queen that’s in power (after all you control the masses).
Thus both dirty hands are easily washed by their destruction is seen throughout the world where kings have conquered other countries with little or no raised eyebrow during these crusades. After all, if a conquered society was deemed “barbaric” or appear to be uncivilized--- their devious actions justify the means. They’re apostatizing!
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Would that racial hate include the black slave owners that owned black slaves and the white slave owners that owned white slaves? What about the all the slaves in roman times including christians? Was it about race when a Roman pagan owned a Roman christian? Or when a Roman Christian owned a Roman pagan? You are wrong in saying slavery is about race. It never was through out history until Americana were taught that in an effort to demonize the south. That education leaves out many facts and is regurgitated over and over.
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Phranc
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MAY 31, 11:04 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Slayre:
Christianity is faith based. So If God told me there was a giant diamond in his hand that I could not see, I would believe him. thats how faith works. God works on his time not ours. He will reveal the diamond to me when he knows Im ready for it. Kinda like if your 7 year old came up to you and asked for a z06 vette. Would you buy it for him ? ( if you could afford one) of course not. You would wait until he was ready for it, right?
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Faith based on lies. God works on no time because he isn't real. He is a myth just like all the other gods.
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Phranc
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MAY 31, 11:08 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by madcurl:
Hmm. That explains your rude and off-the-wall comments towads others on various threads.
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No more then saying just because you're black explains why you hate cops and have such a poor education on slavery.
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Phranc
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MAY 31, 11:10 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Carver1:
Bingo! JESUS raised Lazarus from the dead.
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No he didn't. That is fiction. The man Jesus didn't have super powers and didn't raise anyone from the dead.
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Phranc
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MAY 31, 11:18 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick's Dad:
No, bear, he does not have a point about slavery. Slavery existed in the Roman empire, but Christians did not see slaves the way the Romans did.
To the Roman, a Slave was property, not considered fully human (kinda like preborn babies, these days), and, therefore, not entitled the rights of the citizenry. They were functionally illiterate (by design, most slaves were purposefully not educated, or educated only as their desired usefulness might call for.
Paul's letter to Philemon is a treatise to a brother in Christ to accept Onesimus, a slave, back, and, though a servant, to treat him as fellow brother in Christ. In fact, Paul tells Philemon (1:8 - 11), "So, although I have quite a lot of confidence in Christ and could command you to do what is proper, I would rather appeal to you on the basis of love – I, Paul, an old man and even now a prisoner for the sake of Christ Jesus I am appealing to you concerning my child, whose spiritual father I have become during my imprisonment, that is, Onesimus, who was formerly useless to you, but is now useful to you and me."
Yes, Christianity has been used to promote and/or justify slavery, particularly because there are passages that address how to treat slaves and, if you are a slave/servant, how to honor God as one. These addressed circumstances that the emerging Church found in its present. In fact, it is the Church that was the foundation of the Abolitionist movement in the US, following the Second Great Awakening. There is a difference between using the Bible to justify what what you want, and a genuine move of the Spirit, in which God guides the Church Body to conform to His standard. |
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It must be nice to rewrite history. Slavery is slavery.
Deut 20:10-11
When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it.
And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries(forced laborers) unto thee, and they shall serve thee.
But christians are quick to pick and choose what parts of the bible apply. Just as they are quick to say a word means something else. MY favourite is when say a day isn't a day when you question the fictional account of creation in the bible with facts like dinosaurs.
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Earl-R
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MAY 31, 11:29 AM
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I don't mind gays and lesbians, WHAT I do mind is it being pushed in my face. Go to Disney the first on June. All these people kissing and making out in public making a spectacle of it. I think many "Gays" do it for attention. You do not see this behavior to this degree in heterosexual couples.
If they keep out of site like most do, then no problem, I would have the same issue with hetro couples as well.
I hear this once somewhere, IF everyone was gay we would have no human race.
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Carver1
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MAY 31, 11:45 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Phranc:
No he didn't. That is fiction. The man Jesus didn't have super powers and didn't raise anyone from the dead.
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I'm still waiting on a VALID source for all your claims.
I'm willing to listen to them.
All you do is say everything is fake and lies.
This isn't Star Trek. Even the hard core Trekkies know it's just SciFi.
Prove to me God doesn't exist.
Should be easy for you since you are so certain.[This message has been edited by Carver1 (edited 05-31-2009).]
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madcurl
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MAY 31, 11:54 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Phranc:
Would that racial hate include the black slave owners that owned black slaves and the white slave owners that owned white slaves?
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| quote | Originally posted by madcurl:
Actually, Phranc has no valid points with the scriptures. The fact that so-called Christians condoning slavery had more to do with racial hatred, their lack of following biblical scriptures, and advancement in society. Easily performed if you keep the masses illiterate by condemning anyone who dared to translate the scriptures or question their authority and easily enforced if you’ve blessed the King/Queen that’s in power (after all you control the masses).
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Yeah, so-called Christians includes everybody regardless of which land, color, or who has the gold, but I'm sure you couldn't see that, right?
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madcurl
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MAY 31, 11:59 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Phranc:
No more then saying just because you're black explains why you hate cops and have such a poor education on slavery. |
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| quote | Originally posted by aceman:
Take a break from the forums, Phranc. Just some advice. I'm sure that you won't take it from me. You wouldn't take it from anyone else, either. Continue being "Phranc".
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| quote | Originally posted by pokeyfiero:
The thing is Phranc I really don't know anyone that really likes you. You have even been a topic in chat and all agree you are unredeemable loser. Lots of things you say I agree with but I still can't stand you most of the time. Some people would keep a guy like you around if they had the same beliefs and they felt you could help them in a fight. You can't admit your flaws or mistakes. You can't stand up and apologize. You don't care. Children in kindergarten know more about manning up than you do.
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| quote | Originally posted by Phranc:
I really don't care what you or the people in chat think of me. I have admitted flaws and mistakes before. But don't let a little fact that get in the way things. And I have nothing to apologize for. If people don't like me there is a nifty rating system, they can use it. Unlike some people I wouldn't come back again and again. Of course no one makes you read my posts or post in threads I start. Just because some people don't like how brutal I am it is their issue not mine.
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Phranc behavior is typical. You must be a very, very sad person inside.
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BobadooFunk
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MAY 31, 12:31 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Carver1:
Prove to me God doesn't exist.
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you know im gonna have to disagree with this right here... proving something doesnt exist..? really?
while i do agree with Phranc on a good majority of his posts (i just wish youd word them slightly different  ) i remain what i call "slightly agnostic"  open to the possibility or unpossibility of a higher being, but waiting for a sure sign (like physically in front of me kinda sign.)
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