Sorry but i gotta ask, whats the story with Archie and Cletus? (Page 12/20)
bmwguru JAN 12, 10:05 PM

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Originally posted by GT Quick:

This is posted here to answer the question for the nice member that started this thread. Here's my answer to the original question:

I believe it might be Archie's "like it or not my way or the highway" attitude that spurs alot of harsh criticism. My personal experiences previous to my PFF membership have been less than pleseant so far, and even less so after I posed the question here to PFF. That among the absence of many obvious upgrades that could be made to the kit (for such a price) has the critics constantly abuzz.

See these for reference:

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/086561.html


http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/067637.html



"my way or the highway" is the foundation of a smart business. You can't change the way you work to suit everyone else's wants and desires. If you do that, there will be no consistancy with your work/service/products. You have to set a standard and keep to that standard. Otherwise, you will wind up with more confusion and possible lawsuits.
Dave
3.6lvvt6spdgt JAN 12, 11:16 PM
im reluctant to get in this but i wonder what the hp rating on the V8 swaps archie has done has any one dyno'ed the achie swap? dont get me wrong i love a lot of things archie does like the chop top and the bodykits, but im a v6 fan for the sound of the V6 sounds better to me if you like V8s then like tham i DK. i just always wondered what the big deal was about the V8 swap. of course ive seen the videos where they take a V8 fiero and put it on the dyno and it only maks 240hp but i dont know if that is a achie car cause a t-shirt doesent make it true here is the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...jRNU&feature=related

if that is the the real dyno specs i would go with a 3800SC/turbo for power and i would go to archie for the other products that he provides, i wish he supplied more like corbon fiber hoods and decklids? or his own headlight conversion for a stock fiero for thoughs of us that want to stay some what stock?
any way thats just my 2 cents
love archie but not a big V8 fan, only cause i fell in love with the fiero as a V6 and mine will always be a V6,

so i guess what im saying is

(ARCHIE WHAT IS THE AVRAGE HP RATING ON ONE OF YOUR V8 SWAPS? )

thats just my 2 cents

[This message has been edited by 3.6lvvt6spdgt (edited 01-12-2008).]

Archie JAN 12, 11:16 PM

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Originally posted by GT Quick:

This is posted here to answer the question for the nice member that started this thread. Here's my answer to the original question:

I believe it might be Archie's "like it or not my way or the highway" attitude that spurs alot of harsh criticism. My personal experiences previous to my PFF membership have been less than pleseant so far, and even less so after I posed the question here to PFF. That among the absence of many obvious upgrades that could be made to the kit (for such a price) has the critics constantly abuzz.

See these for reference:

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/086561.html


http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/067637.html



The BIGGER question that has to be answered is Why do people post links to threads that prove that the person who is posting the links is an utter idiot.

Some people want a peice of me so bad that they post up links to threads that prove that they themselves are a prime reason that threads like this ever get started.

Quick, are you so slow that you don't realize that those 2 threads make you look like you.re totally STUPID??????? Do you not see that in those threads?????

kawana: Go read those threads all the way thru, you'll see what this Archie & Cletus thing is all about.

Archie
Archie JAN 12, 11:31 PM

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Originally posted by 3.6lvvt6spdgt:

im reluctant to get in this but i wonder what the hp rating on the V8 swaps archie has done has any one dyno'ed the achie swap? dont get me wrong i love a lot of things archie does like the chop top and the bodykits, but im a v6 fan. and i always wondered what the big deal was about the V8 swap. of course ive seen the veidos where they take a V8 fiero and put it on the dyno and it only maks 240hp but i dont know if that is a achie car cause a t-shirt doesent make it true here is the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...jRNU&feature=related

if that is the the real dyno specs i would go with a 3800SC/turbo and i would go to archie for the other products that he provides, i wish he supplied more like corbon fiber hoods and decklids? or his own headlight conversion for a stock fiero for thoughs of us that want to stay some what stock?
any way thats just my 2 cents
love archie but not a big V8 fan
thats just my 2 cents



Yes, that's a car we built about a year before that video was shot. As you can see the customer was happy with his car. It was only the punks who were shooting the video who weren't happy.

If you want to put in a V6 then go ahead & put it in & enjoy it. But don't do it because of Shaunbag's videos.

Archie
Formula88 JAN 12, 11:42 PM

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Originally posted by 3.6lvvt6spdgt:

im reluctant to get in this but i wonder what the hp rating on the V8 swaps archie has done has any one dyno'ed the achie swap?




The HP on an "Archie swap" depends on what engine the customer chooses to install. If you'd actually read the posts on THIS PAGE, you would have read that Oreif put a ZZ4 crate engine in his Fiero and it's rated at 355 HP and put down 309 RWHP on a dyno.

If he'd used a different engine, the output would be different, even though the swap itself is the same. I don't understand why people can't understand that.
3.6lvvt6spdgt JAN 12, 11:44 PM
my bad slow poster
i think that the lack of good V8 videos helped these bash videos
agin i picked the V6 for the sound cause thats what i like the sound of a ve reving up it all boils down to what you like
and hey archie keep up the good work and ever think about doing carbon fiber parts for us less aged fiero fans like hoods and decklids?? i want a set but ive heard a lot of bad things about kingdoom custemZ and i cant even email the guy

[This message has been edited by 3.6lvvt6spdgt (edited 01-12-2008).]

Jake_Dragon JAN 13, 07:29 AM

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Originally posted by 3.6lvvt6spdgt:

my bad slow poster
i think that the lack of good V8 videos helped these bash videos




I put one video of my car on youtube and was spammed to the point I took it down. I had planned on putting up some 0 - 60 runs but don't know what the point would be if 2 out of 3 comments are Shawn hating on my car. You try to share some fun and get that kind of crap, it gets old quick.

How much money do you have? Archie builds kits to put SBC engines into Fieros. I have never heard him say he build engines, its up to the costumer to supply the engine.

Here are some SBC HP/TQ with prices. Ask them for a dyno they build engines and probably will have a few laying around.
http://www.proformanceunlimited.com/chevy.html

[This message has been edited by Jake_Dragon (edited 01-13-2008).]

blackrams JAN 13, 07:58 AM

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Originally posted by Gokart Mozart:
BTW, those that like to catagorize, put me in the column of appreciates Archies work. Don't think I want a sbc but you have to admire someone who loves what hes does, has been doing it for years and has many happy customers.



Wholeheartedly!

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Oreif JAN 13, 09:39 AM

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Originally posted by 3.6lvvt6spdgt:

im reluctant to get in this but i wonder what the hp rating on the V8 swaps archie has done has any one dyno'ed the achie swap? dont get me wrong i love a lot of things archie does like the chop top and the bodykits, but im a v6 fan for the sound of the V6 sounds better to me if you like V8s then like tham i DK. i just always wondered what the big deal was about the V8 swap. of course ive seen the videos where they take a V8 fiero and put it on the dyno and it only maks 240hp but i dont know if that is a achie car cause a t-shirt doesent make it true here is the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...jRNU&feature=related

if that is the the real dyno specs i would go with a 3800SC/turbo for power and i would go to archie for the other products that he provides, i wish he supplied more like corbon fiber hoods and decklids? or his own headlight conversion for a stock fiero for thoughs of us that want to stay some what stock?
any way thats just my 2 cents
love archie but not a big V8 fan, only cause i fell in love with the fiero as a V6 and mine will always be a V6,

so i guess what im saying is

(ARCHIE WHAT IS THE AVRAGE HP RATING ON ONE OF YOUR V8 SWAPS? )

thats just my 2 cents




There is no "average" HP rating. It all depends on the engine you as the owner decide to use.
As some of the examples, My ZZ4 rated at 355hp put down 309 rwhp, Two other ZZ4's dyno'd 301 rwhp and 309 rwhp.
And for the record, Archie did the install on my car and nothing except a tweek to the tuning was done to the car for the dyno runs or the 1/4 mile times. The car has been the exact same from October 2004 until November 2007.

Now the LM1 crate engine is rated roughly 270 hp so on a dyno you will probably put down around 220 rwhp.
LT1's range anywhere from 280 to 330 hp at the crank so they will hit 230 to 290 on a dyno. So it all depends on if the owner wants a 270hp LM1 or a 400hp LS2 or any number of different versions of the SBC installed. Also I should note that an auto transaxle will generally have more drivetrain loss than a manual transaxle.

Then there are the mods to the engine that could affect it's output. As an example the 350HO crate engine is rated at 330hp with a carb. But many have found out that the if you toss on a TPI system, You seem to lose about 30-40hp. According to the Hot Rod Forum it has something to do with the cam timing and the TPI set-up not being very compatable. They recommend swapping in a specific Comp Cams
camshaft that is more TPI friendly to bring the HP back up where it should be.


The other thing is there are two different dyno's. The Dyno-Jet and the Mustang Dyno. Each one has a different method to read the power and it is a proven fact that the Mustang dyno results are generally lower than the Dyno-jet. I know of a 3.4DOHC motor that was dyno'd on both type. On the dyno-jet he had 173 rwhp, On the Mustang dyno he had 157.7 rwhp. One of the V-8 cars that dyno'd at Daytona last year ran 240hp on the Mustang dyno and 3 weeks later ran 270 on a dyno-jet. As for which dyno is "accurate" is still in debate across many, many forums. Some say the Mustang dyno is more realistic on what the car will see on the street and the Dyno-Jet is more for what it would see on it's "peak" days. Either way it doesn't matter what engine you dyno, There is a difference between the dyno methods.

If you go by the avarage losses between the dyno's a 3800SC rated at 260hp will have roughly 200 rwhp on a Mustang dyno and around 225 hp on a Dyno-jet. So the bottom line is a dyno is very subjective. You need to look at all the info before deciding if the dyno run is accurate.
Engine, transaxle, dyno used, conditions, calibration factors, and even what gear is used can affect the output.

As for video's, Many have been removed because the RFT thugs spammed them with bad or insulting comments.

[This message has been edited by Oreif (edited 01-13-2008).]

Formula88 JAN 13, 05:37 PM
About the only thing a dyno is good for is tuning. You run repeated runs on the same dyno to evaluate changes made to the car. Running on one dyno, making some tuning changes, then running on another dyno is useless for testing purposes. It's not any better for comparing one car to another.