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Blacktree
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JUL 07, 04:38 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by ryan.hess:
LOL
I remember in the dyno thread you threw a tantrum. That was pretty funny. And here you go again!
You guys take life too seriously. Here's the play by play summary of this thread:
Whuffo - "Jeff you can't play with us"
Whitedevil88 - "Waaaaaa... they won't let me play with them."
MrsBear - "It will cost you $15 to have your membership application declined"
Chicken McNizzle - "Poop"
SuperchargedV6 - "Hey Jeff, I hate you. I'm going to post multiple times to that effect"
ambfiero - "Cliff close this thread! Jeff, suck it! GGF, you rule! Everyone else pay attention to me!"
fierobear - "preserved for the record"
LOL
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Hey what am I, chopped liver?!  Here...
Blacktree - "Hey Jeff, you're a tard. Here's a neg."
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JimmyS
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JUL 07, 05:08 PM
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Cooter
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JUL 07, 05:13 PM
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I really don't have anything to add, so I'll just post a pic of my purple tool bag 
I figure it will come in handy at some point in time.
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lurker
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JUL 07, 08:02 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by WhiteDevil88:
I tell you what, then, if you're sincere in offering friendly advice, I'd love to receive your PM and thoughtfully consider it. If you're just going to offer uninformed critique for the peanut gallery without any full knowledge of the situation, you lose a little bit of my respect and I'm afraid I just don't go that deep to ponder it. |
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no, not in PM. i'll say what i have to say in the open, and we'll just have to deal with it.
i'm really very ambivalent about this. i've reached for the rating button a couple of times and have managed to pull back every time. i've written lengthy posts in the thread and each time have reconsidered and edited them down to about 10%. i don't have enough information to judge well, so i'm trying hard, not fully successfully, not to judge.
obviously i only know what i've seen on the forum about this situation, and that information is incomplete, out of context, colored by individual perspective, and often contradictory. i don't know who started the correspondence between you and GGF. it may not even be possible to determine where it started, and how or when it escalated to confrontation.
what disturbs me about this is that you started a thread stating that you thought GGF was somehow being discriminatory in declining to accept you as a member. this is not the forum's business. there was also an implied hint of illegality and legal repercussions which is entirely inappropriate on PFF. if you want to go there, talk to your lawyer. as for discrimination, the law protects against discrimination based on race, gender, age and sometimes sexual preference. i assume none of those applies here.
a club, incorporated or not, is a voluntary association. that works both ways, they must want to associate with you, and you with them. they have clearly stated how they feel about the matter, and you have said that you have no desire to associate with them. the "court of public opinion" that is PFF is irrelevant to the matter, which is that you and GGF share strong and mutual disdain.
so why bring it up at all, much less on PFF?
and after everyone has made their positions clear, why pursue it?
the answers that come to my mind speak to an unhealthy desire for attention and validation, which would be consistent with many of your previous offerings. fortunately, i'm no psychiatrist, and my opinion counts for nothing here. i'd be interested to know what cliff thinks about this, but he has wisely kept that to himself.
my friendly advice? drop it, and learn not to do it again.
as for your respect, that matters about as much to me, as my respect matters to you.
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Back On Holiday
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JUL 07, 11:07 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by CoryFiero:
Goodbye everyone, Since there has been discussion regarding whether or not my posts to this community are relevant, I have decided to no longer post here. To the rest, enjoy your illusions of moral and intellectual superiority. I'd rather waste my time in groups where people actually talk topics. Not looking for sympathy or anything either. Just pointing something out before I take my leave of this community.
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hey, dont leave us hanging with thoughts of horny next door neighbor milfs... we need more pics 
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NEPTUNE
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JUL 08, 12:39 PM
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Just a sig test. Nothing else going on here.
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NEPTUNE
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JUL 08, 12:43 PM
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Lets try that sig again.
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Nope.[This message has been edited by NEPTUNE (edited 07-08-2007).]
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NEPTUNE
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JUL 08, 12:47 PM
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New host.
Shite.[This message has been edited by NEPTUNE (edited 07-08-2007).]
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Blacktree
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JUL 08, 12:48 PM
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| quote | | Originally posted by Cooter: Blacktree has a big Fierobear, and keeps him in a purple tool bag. |
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Preserve THAT for the record!
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WhiteDevil88
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JUL 08, 01:44 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by lurker:
no, not in PM. i'll say what i have to say in the open, and we'll just have to deal with it.
i'm really very ambivalent about this. i've reached for the rating button a couple of times and have managed to pull back every time. i've written lengthy posts in the thread and each time have reconsidered and edited them down to about 10%. i don't have enough information to judge well, so i'm trying hard, not fully successfully, not to judge.
obviously i only know what i've seen on the forum about this situation, and that information is incomplete, out of context, colored by individual perspective, and often contradictory. i don't know who started the correspondence between you and GGF. it may not even be possible to determine where it started, and how or when it escalated to confrontation. |
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All quite true. I don't feel like giving a history lesson, but I will say that this animosity from GGF has been going on for some time. It seems that some people will not be satisfied until other people are eliminated from their "world" altogether.
| quote | what disturbs me about this is that you started a thread stating that you thought GGF was somehow being discriminatory in declining to accept you as a member. this is not the forum's business. there was also an implied hint of illegality and legal repercussions which is entirely inappropriate on PFF. if you want to go there, talk to your lawyer. as for discrimination, the law protects against discrimination based on race, gender, age and sometimes sexual preference. i assume none of those applies here.
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The leadership of GGF prefers to use words like "mentally unstable", "dangerous". etc. without any cause or substantiation. Micheal Leavitt has been implieing hints of illegality and threats of legal repercussions for over a year, now he just has the name of my lawyer so I don't have to hear about it anymore.
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a club, incorporated or not, is a voluntary association. that works both ways, they must want to associate with you, and you with them. they have clearly stated how they feel about the matter, and you have said that you have no desire to associate with them. the "court of public opinion" that is PFF is irrelevant to the matter, which is that you and GGF share strong and mutual disdain.
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True enough. However, a club does not have a right to threaten my right to assemble by threatening to call the cops on me if I come to enjoy my hobby at an event they put on.
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so why bring it up at all, much less on PFF?
and after everyone has made their positions clear, why pursue it?
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Everyone loves the drama. And I was not liking the direction that the WestFest Thread was taking with Todd and Micheal praising their security force for keeping the "mentally immature" at bay. So I left that thread and started this one.
"Special attention was paid to someone who has a long history of threatening and harassing club members. I hoped he wouldn't show up - but he did. His behavior was reasonably well controlled, so he was allowed to enjoy the show too." Reasonably well controlled? Sounds like I barely managed to puke inside the trashcans.
what is my "long history of threatening and harrassing club members"? I guess if you count getting into a couple OT threads with Todd and John and making fun of how stupid they can be about some things, that can be harassing. But no one can say who or how I threatened anyone.
Why bring it up on PFF? Too late, it's BEEN brought up. In so many threads in so many ways over the past three years when these people felt that they could voice whatever they want about me and there wouldn't be any response. Now there is a response.
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the answers that come to my mind speak to an unhealthy desire for attention and validation, which would be consistent with many of your previous offerings. fortunately, i'm no psychiatrist, and my opinion counts for nothing here. i'd be interested to know what cliff thinks about this, but he has wisely kept that to himself. |
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I'd think you could probably fit that on to pretty much any thread started by someone who invests a bit too much time and energy into an online forum. Who doesn't want to be validated? And why is that unhealthy? The attention I've already got, and believe me, I'd rather live without.
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my friendly advice? drop it, and learn not to do it again.
as for your respect, that matters about as much to me, as my respect matters to you. |
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Hopefully sleeping dogs will lie. I have no problem living my life without ever communicating with any GGF leader. Allegedly there are 80 members whom I've met maybe 30, and don't have an issue with any of them. I wish them happiness.
As for respect, maybe my respect means nothing to you, but maybe you'll respect yourself more for posting an honest assesment rather then glib condemnation.
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