heres one example of you not knowing anything

"never heard"

that is a great way to prove someone a point.

ya, so does this make you half patriotic. Because it isn't a 100% domestic vehicle.

I never said im a patriot bragging how i buy all american.

3).....
So why dont turbos build boost when revving at idle? MR I know everything about cars?

Just because you can be running a 14.7 or richer mixture doesn't mean you cant harm the pistons. strike III

And that is why there are many 4 cylinder domestic and european faster then asian cars.

eventhough you work on cars all day long, doesn't mean you know anything. So you do oil changes all day long makes you knowledgable with OBDII systems? Or just putting rings on a piston gives you a clue on how an engine works down to the atom?

this thread was calming down. It would have been calmed down if you two guys were not saying how fieros sucked and only a company that isn't around anymore built superior cars.

because you read a temperature gauge means you know how temperature works? So when its red on the gauge, you know the temperature is hot?

I may not know how to design a piston but I know thier purpose, the strength of the pistons I have and how far I can push them and obviously you dont or you would realize just because one "can" burn a piston with a turbo car it doesn't mean they will. Like i've said countless times before its all in the tuning but since most people prefer carbed v8's and such they dont have to worry about it but when you start talking forced induction you cant just bolt a part on and expect it to work without you knowing how to tune for it. If you are holing pistons then you are doing something wrong, I have yet to hole any pistons in my car and i'm running in the low 20's for boost pressure from the stock 12psi and it hasn't scattered itself all over the ground and I dont forsee it doing so as I pay attention to what the car wants, have the correct gauges and metering devices to control the fuel system and take care of the car with regular maitance. Somebody is doing something wrong and seeing as my car is running just as good as ever I do not belive it is me

The boost pressure is a result of the airflow, the rise in temperature is a result of the compressing of the air, with a good intercooler the temperature will be cool by the time it gets to the engine so its effect is negligble assuming you have a correctly sized/flowing intercooler for your setup. The boost pressure is about the worst way to measure anything, boost pressure is the amount of air not getting into the engine and even if one runs more pressure it may not make them faster because of running the turbo out of its efficience range. Oh wait, I dont know that cause I dont know anything about thermodynamics... Also calling my car a ricer is talking big, you ready to back it up?

Whats your problem, I can build boost revving off idle? It takes the throttle being open all of like 2% to free rev an engine to redline, the engine may be revving hard but its not moving much exhaust because the throttle plate is restricting it and thus not enough exhaust to build boost by holding the rpms high. If you go off idle and lay into the throttle a greater percentage and let off before you find the rev limiter you will build boost without being in gear. I never said I know everything about cars, nobody does but if you call someone out on knowing about thier own car and telling them they dont know wtf thier doing and thier going to kill the engine just because its not an overweight piece of pig iron from the 70's then you better be ready to back it up.

"Built in normal, but it doesn't have a domestic engine. So it must make you half patriotic" You said I am half patriotic because my car isn't a chevy. I take that as a personal attack on me as I belive I am very patriotic and I do not belive the kind of car you buy has any effect on how patriotic one is. Also when I said american fuel I was saying that your buying it at an american station and thus the kid workin at the counter for minimum wage will still have his job since people will always need gas.

So where is the list of domestic 4cly's running 8's in street trim like shep? Show me, i'm curious as all the domestic 4cly's i see at the drag strip are tube chassi rwd's with no other purpose than going fast in a straight line...

Modding any car is a waste of money, its a loosing investment no matter what you do. I will spend my money the way I see fit and I dont see you stopping anybody else on this forum with quad4's and such. There is nothing wrong with 4 clys, they make good power and are easy to find.

So just because it has been done before I should stop doing it? Alright to everyone that wants to put a v8 in a fiero you have to stop cause it has been done before. I dont want to brag to anyone, I dont care what people think of me, I just want to do it to say that I did and that much power will be more than enough for me in this particular vehicle before I move on to some something new. And again with the calling my car names, are you ready to back up your keyboarding skills?

Nobody said fieros suck, I do not see that in any post anywhere. You keep putting words in peoples mouths, in fact if you would acctually read the entire post I said the reason I am here is to see what people are doing with these cars so I can see which year/trim level I would prefer to have as well as what to do with it when I do buy one. Nobody cares about how an engine works at the atomic level unless you are the one designing the engine. Keep knock down, egts under control, enough fuel, correct intercooling, and sufficient engine interals for the power being made and you will never have a problem.

Yeah, Minngreen warmed the car up running up and down the freeway, Fierochic88 popped the overflow tank. I was freaking out thinking it was my radiator, thank god it was just a cracked overflow tank. Drove home just fine. That was my one and only overheat. Here is a pic from that night.

And, in the efforts to stay on topic, I have raced many a ricer and won.

Certified Mechanic, what have you modified on your Fiero?

Jim
87 GT T-TOP SBC V8
95 Talon TSi AWD 2.4l

first paragraph is pointless and just repeating what i said. Running at 14.7 or richer.

2nd paragraph

You can still burn a piston while running rich. Learn to read buddy.
There are many ways to melt a piston. Dont need detonation to do it.

Didn't you say your car came with a turbo from the factory. That would mean, your car's engine has been designed to run with a turbo. Pretty much solves the 5 years of college and years of experience to put your engine together because it has been all done for you.

so after doing some research, you realize theres more to a turbo then just airflow. good comeback.
because you would have stated all of this before.

"boost pressure is the amount of air not getting into the engine"
so where is this air going ? outerspace?

what? you can have high pressure with no air flow? to bad you didn't mention this. You should do more researching on the internet.

2% to rev an engine to redline uh okay

I wonder why its not revving at redline when the iac is opening a path for more air to come in.

Im still laughing on how you "believe" the concept of how a turbo works. Because the theory of how a turbo works, there is no boost in neutral. Go try this on your ricer and look at your boost gauge.

i said your half patriotic because your poseur mobile doesn't have a domestic engine.... therefore your half patriotic.

Do a search on the web and you can find plently of fast 4 cylinder domestics
or even do a search on this forum for a fast superduty natural aspirated fiero dragster
You can do your own research before giving everyone your ignorant statements

but the difference between them and you is they are not bragging about their POS car in a fiero forum. How superior it is because it can be modified to 600hp :rolleyes

topic of this thread is beating ricers, but somehow you got people pissed at you. I wonder why

the difference between an engineer and you is a lot. You still think only that running the right fuel ratio and timing will not effect the engine.

"engine should never come apart"
what happend to the engine being non turbo from the factory. Wont the pistons, connecting rod, crankshaft, and bearings take a toll on the added stress. But wait, us engineers dont know anything and ricer boys do. Aslong as it doesn't detonate, the pistons and other parts will not suffer fatigue.

you're telling sean that just because he's going to school doesn't mean he knows anything. what makes you think that you know anything then? i've seen engineers **** up a light bulb install.

you're talking a lot of **** , and it doesn't sound like you're ready to back it, and you are just repeating everything you've said. at what point did anybody say fieros sucked? you think you're partriotic? what makes you any more patriotic than the rest of us? my dad fought 3 tours in vietnam, he rides a yamaha motorcycle. you want to call him unpatriotic? it would quite possibly be the last thing you ever did.

you keep saying sean's "adding a turbo to a car", then, in your last post. you say, so what, you bought a turbod car. can't make up your mind?

when i said i'd never heard of it, thats from the research i have done. browse dsmtalk when its up. quite a few more members than this forum, and a lot of fast cars.

how is modding a 4 cylinder a waste of time and money? its going to be faster than v8s, and get better gas mileage. well?

i don't do oil changes all day long. yes i know obd II. nobody ****ing cares about the atoms in an engine block. except some dip **** engineer thats trying to reinvent the wheel and take credit for it. you're a dumb ****er. thats all it comes down too.

yet again, who said fieros suck? and which company isn't around? mitsubishi? go race an evo mr, and post up a video clip since thats what this thread is about. make sure you've got a good zoom function so we can see the taillights all the way ahead of you.

no, you have to know how to properly tune using an egt gauge, datalogger, and other variables.

how many engines have you ever built? once you build an engine, the factory aspects go out the window. all new tuning maps. have you ever tuned an engine? or wait, yeah, you're trying to reinvent the wheel. hows that going for you?

i can go out to my car, stomp on the gas pedal, and build boost in neutral. you go try it. oh wait, you don't know jack about turbo cars, and have obviously never worked on one. this thread belongs in the trash can.

how many 600 hp fieros are in existance? i bet you can count them on one hand. jimmy posted a list with 3 just in his area, and some of those cars are a little knob twisting away from 600.

tell ya what, why don't you come down here, try reiventing the oil change while you're at it, since you think you're the brightest crayon in the box, and tell me how i don't know about cars. you're problem is that fact that in trying to prove that we don't know anything, you show the retard inside of you. i don't see anybody backing you up.