I'm with you man. Don't let the forum police scare you into feeling like you can't give your opinion, which is their goal (well unless you agree with them of course). They can't fathom an 18 yr old being mature when there are 18 yr olds getting shot at and performing very adult duties right now all over the globe in the US Military. So let them try to berate and scare you but you know the truth so don't worry about the haters.

Well the thing is Cliff, the magazine is not Pontiac Performance or even Sport Compact Car. It's some magazine that isn't even in print. If it was in a reputable magazine, which we all know it never would be, but supposing it was, then yea everyone would have to give him his props.

And pretty much any Fiero5 post is destined for the trash can.

That's pretty funny when YOU of all people say someone else is "whining" when that is pretty much all you do on this forum. Amazing.

And I pointed out something I find funny and ironic on this forum. So I could have left out a few comments but it's hard when we all have to put up with this silly Fiero that embarasses the entire community.

Yes, you may be a lot more mature than most young adults your age, but your are missing a very important aspect of why I responded to your comments in this thread. This may be due to the fact that you've had a more financially affluent enviornment, that you were raised in, meaning things come a little easier due to some parental assistance is some form or other (which is a good thing, if not abused). Steve on the other hand, has no assistance, he's supporting house payments, medical bills, groceries and all else for his family, and finding a way to come up with cash to support car projects for his kids. I'm not saying Steve is poor, but you can tell by the photo's he posted, that he not rich by any means, except in the "Family" department. Now Steve may go a little over-kill in his posts, but he is very proud of the fact that he can do these things with his children, which appears to be guided by his childrens desires. He's doing the best he can on what he can afford, and to me that deserves some respect, it doesn't matter if their ideas on their cars mess with mine. In closing, Steve may or may not have deserved some rather negative feedback in some of his other posts on the Forum, I'm not going to be specific, but negative feedback shouldn't have been posted in this thread. That's just my opinion, and I feel strongly enough about it to take the time to type this response.

I have no harsh feelings toward you, and hope you understand what I'm trying to get at with this response.

His money his car..... Who are you ? And when you say entire community who are you speaking for ? I believe im part of this community and im not embarassed.

You have went all too many miles, Your running on empty let me siphen more gas from thee LOL. Now soon you will fit in the red bar brigade.

It's kinda sad this was a clean thread but ppl felt the need to bring BS to this thread and ruin it.

I'm not embarassed. Its wonderfull to see an 11 year old who thinks outside of the box. Being unique is what we need more of around here. Jordan has done just great for himself. Let the kid express himself in what ever way that he sees fit. That is how kids grow up. If some of the adults here could be as grown up as Jordan then this thread wouldn't have made it inro the trash can to begin with. Perhaps the folks who are bashing Jordans car are just "green" with envy. My .02 cents.

I want to also thank Cali Kid and Scott-Wa among the many other nice comments, as those were very well said posts.

Now, Jordans mag signing is sadly not happening today as the mags didn't arrive because Borders did not want to pay the almost $200. extra Fed Ex charges to have them shipped in overnight. They are now shipping them regular Fed Ex instead and hopefully this coming weekend we will have the event If and when it does happen I will certainly update everyone on PFF (who is interested anyway) and show some pics. Maybe by then those who ruined this thread (and you all know who you are) will now have a better clue that the forum in general is now really tired of this kind of thing happening more often now than it ever has.

Yes, I am saddend that this thread made it to the trash can. Maybe it can be a learning experience for some of us and some can make the needed adjustments to help keep this from sadly happening again, wether it sadly happens to me, or to Jordan, or Tarrah or against anyone else that loves this great forum for that matter. As a long time member of PFF I know that the majorityy does not like to see this kind of thing, (and I know based on the many positive responses here alone and the many PM's I received) that things will hopefully change at some point in the near future, so threads like this can actually be read and enjoyed as they were meant to be which was one of the reasons why this great Fiero forum was originally created for in the first place . And not instead be subject to the constant flames, harasing, accusing, attacking and insulting bad trash can sending crap that this one among far too many others has experienced.

Again, from my Fiero owning family and specifically Jordan, I want to thank you all who have and continue to support not only us and our Fieros including Jordans but of course supporting all Fieros in general, no matter what model, engine size, color or modification they may have. They are all afterall a Fiero, and this is afterall THE largest and greatest Fiero forum in the world! So, If you love it, protect it.

Steve