I am gladded you called summit. Thats great. Good for you. However on teh website it says $560 for the nitrous kit. yea it says call to order but if you click on the link with the part number in it, it shows the price and a pic of the kit.

That is the kit that is on my car RIGHT NOW!

I did buy a direct port NX kit on ebay so yea thats an ebay special. However the kit was brand NEW still in the wrapping!!!! So its not a hacked up POS. This will be going on my new engine. You really need to start comprehending stuff I post instead of just reading it.

And why would I need to buy mounts and hoses and belts and all this other stuff you are talking about?? All that stuff is still working perfectly on my car and in great shape so why would I have to buy new ones? I think you have me confused with your own self and your swap with you needing to buy all these parts.

My new engine, shortblock, new cam, gaskets, and direct port kit, EVERYTHING for the new motor will fall in under $900. This is for a 2.8 with nitrous that will put out over 220 whp!!! So yea it is looking like a pretty good deal.

Look I am sorry that you werent' able to get your 3.4 to really perform but I never did hear you say that you took it to a dyno and got some real actual tuning done on it. Thats your own fault right there buddy. You blame the engine for not performing but it was you who is at fault not the engine. you didnt' take the time to look into why you thought it might have been down on power. Instead you threw it to the side and thought a 200 hp v8 was the better deal.

My sentence in this thread is...... Your a looser.

When I typed the word assume it was sarcasm. That link owned you not me. Now everyone is seeing that you are a lier as well as a fool. Your swap is costing more and more.
I do know about NOS. I had a 150 shot on my stang and a small shot my on my Beretta. That is why I seid you bought another part further proving that it cost more than you lied about.

So what if your NOS 2.8 can beat a stock 4.9. That is yet to be seen.

How can you assume my 3.4 was a Turd? Sound like you are envious. When I put that thing up for sale, I had offers all over the place. How do I know what was done to it? I have receipts for EVERYTHING and I document everything I did to it. That's why it pulled over a grand in the first hour it was advertised. That's proof.

My point in this thread is to point out all your BS and to point out the obvious, being that your Turd 2.8 with nos will be MUCH more than $900 when you swap it.

Also do I hate 2.8's? no Forced induction? Are you crazy?

#1 The Punisher is 2 People. Shaun Hammitt & J.McCreery

Here is my Fiero Project.(JMcCreery) The car ran for 7 years and was driven @ 100's of autocrosses and track events before the northstar.

Here is my nitrous setup.

Here is my Direct port Caddy manifold.. it's going to be a 125 wet shot

The car is an 86 GT which has never seen a winter , I bought it with 18,000 miles on it.

Upgrades
Koni's
coilovers
11.25" brakes (if you search this forum you will find I have helped out tons of people with this swap
braided lines
1.25" rear sway bar
1" front bar

Lots and Lots of other stuff.

The northstar project has brought many other upgrades

I graduated with 2 degrees in automotive marketing from University

The Daily Driver as many have seen is an M3 , I also have a 2002 Mini Cooper I use for track events. Please don't even attempt to degrade me by playing up the fact that your an all powerful Computer geek. i didn't get to where I am easily @ 26 I do quite well for myself.

Shauns main issue is that everyone tosses the 2.8 and brags about how much more power the 4.9 has. He has showed Dyno charts illustrating this fallacy. You can look @ the 1/4 mile list and see that Shaun is # 1 in the 14 sec club with a stock 2.8 and nitrous (50 shot) . What real investment was made in this car? Cost of the stock 85 GT , Nitrous kit , cold air induction and a full stock exhaust. Shauns car on a 50 shot laid down @ 144 @ the wheels. There are 4.9's on that Dyno list that don't make that. He is trying to illustrate a point , and it seems as though it has been lost in senseless arguements over the 4.9's potential. Does the 4.9 have potential..yes... is it easily tapped into with over the counter speed parts .........no. The 2.8 (60 degree) family has more available parts than the 4.9. Look at x-thumpr-x's 3400 install. His car ran mid 14's on a bone stock 3400. Makes you think doesn't it.?

I don't querstiont he longevity of the 4.9 , but for all of you who praise it up and down as the ultimate motor , give your head a shake. Powerwise it's the equivalent of a 2.8 with 2 more cylinders. There both Mules . Even shaun will tell you his 2.8 with minor mods is a TURD.

PBJ (and hopefully linenoise will follow) have realized the limitations of the motor and capitalized on them with a Turbo (and in linenoise case a nitrous setup) I have no doubt the 4.9 can handle nitrous (PBJ has 175K on his shortblock!!)

In this day and age of automobiles 14.9's isn't Impressive at all. When you can get a 4 door subaru Legacy that will crack off 0 60 in 5. 3 secs and run high 13's 14.9's seems anemic. Hell you can even Buy a Subaru Forester that will outrun most 4.9's.... Sad , But true.

This forum seems so skewed by people who have seemingly only ever driven one fast car in their life. They think they have built a world beater when infact many showroom cars would out accelerate , outbrake and outcorner them with ease. It's nothing to get upset about , it is just progression. Its too bad some of you are so nieve to think you would roll with cars like a Z06 or a new Cobra.. there is only one 4.9 that would do that...and it's driven by a girl.. FORSHAME!!

Jonathan McCreery

I have posted my build up several times and total cost icluding the car was 1200.00. I have driven it for a year now without a problem. People who know me can tell you every mile put on my car is under extreme duty. I built it to autocross and beat on in general.

I am starting another 4.9 swap next week for a member on the board and I can assure you the total cost for his swap including labor will be under 1600.00.

Punisher also harped on about:
"Noone has yet to be able to answer my question as to name just 4 aftermarket bolt on parts for the 4.9."

I am not sure why you split "generic" from specific bolt on parts, but for 90.00 you can have a cam shipped to your door. I consider that pretty specific. However, hot rodders for years have been creative when there is sometning needed that is not available at the local parts house. This does however require some ingenuity and ability.

Is my 4.9 the fastest car in town? NO. It does however fill my current needs, and the 4.9 I am building (oh wait, you can not build one with out aftermarket bolt-ons.) will will it even better.

Gene

See, that last post was not bad at all? I dont even know who I was arguing with. Why dont you guys just give people some respect. You insult people and jump into threads putting people and there car down.

Why don't you guys use different Id's and save the bipolar confusion.

Gene

I am humbled by your superior wisdom and use of two syllable words.

Umm no the post OWN3D YOU!. My god man you dont' even know why I posted the link!!! You said that my nitrous kit was NOT a Fiero specific kit. I posted the link say that my current kit on my car now IS Fiero specific and not just a general off the shelf speed part. I mean it lists Fiero right in the product description. I didnt' post it to show the cost of it. Jeezus man wake up. And besides I didnt' pay $500 for the kit either. I paid much less. You keep talking about costs of my new engine build. WTF man. You expect me to add in all the other stuff too? SO I guess in my dollar figures for my ENGINE build I should add in what I bougth the car for? Or also the new tires I put on it? Or the suspension work I did? Or the gauge face plate I bought? And the new Rodney select cable? Should I add all that cost into my NEW ENGINE build when I already bought these parts a long time ago? Give it a rest.

My new engine complete with direct port nx kit will be less then $900!!!!!!! Get that through your head. NEW ENGINE!!! Not that I had to put a new waterpump in 10k miles ago to add onto the cost.

Isn't that why you originally started bashing me in this post? Is because you said taht I couldnt'? Now you are saying "so what" if I do? ARe you like John Kerrys brother or soemthing? You keep flipping sides and can't take a definitive stance on anything.

Dude you talked about it not giving the kind of hp and performance in threads of yours. You even said it didnt' feel all that fast for a 3.4 after all the mods you put on it. So I am not assuming anythign there. You said so yourself. And why would I be jealous of a 3.4 engine that someone else isnt' happy with? If my 2.8 made no power for the amount of money I had in it would you be envious? That makes no sense. Also why would you swap to a different motor if you were completely happy with the way yours was performing? You have reciepts for everything you had done. Do you have reciepts for the port work taht was done by the previous owner? or the reciepts for the cam that was used with the specs on it? If so post them up. I want to see just what kind of power it could have been making. Also just because you got $1k for your engine doesnt' mean that it was making tons of power. I dotn' understand how you made that correlation.

The new engine will not be more then $900 includding the nitrous kit. And after that it wont' be much of a turd anymore. My stock engine in it off the bottle right now is a turd. I am not afraid to say it. But the new engine with a larger cam and head work, will be far from a turd on the bottle. Conservatively I see about 220 WHEEL hp out of it. Not bad for $900. But whatever if you still think that this 2.8 will still be a turd then drive your 4.9 swap up here and we can see just how much of a turd it really is.

did you even read my post with the link to the 4.9 dynos? I will say it again. My little turd 2.8 puts out more hp and torque after 3k rpm then those 4.9's on that webpage. Not only does it put out more hp and torque, it does it all the way to 6k rpm. From a roll on like Earl wants to try it from my car will have no problem winning.

Do the math please. 88 5 spd, with more torq and hp from 3k on up against a 86 SE with auto tranny and less hp and torq from 3k up. Hp wins roll on races. Tq wins light to light.

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SH

See thats great. I am not going to harp on you and call you a liar for doing it much cheaper then everyone else. you got some great deals on some parts and thats awesome. But at the same time, you can't say taht everyone can do it for that price. Of course not everyone can. Others have spent well more then that.

I got some great deals too so there should be no difference. But Black azz seems to think so. However I post that I can do a $900 2.8 brand new with NX direct port kit for cheap and I get people coming out of the woodwork calling me a liar and so full of it.

thats fine with me. Call me a liar all you want while you are checking to make sure my brakes lights are working.

SH

Okay now I see who each of you are. SH is a looser. Your friend actualy gained some respect.

In this thread, I never argued that your car can beat a stock 4.9 because I'm not sure. I posted only this.

Then you replied with your usual BS and insults and such. And about the cost of your swap. When people are saying that they paid x amount to install
there 4.9 they are including everything. Not just the engine, and NOS in your case. You are the one slamming people and acting a fool. I dont think I read were
anyone claimed that the 4.9 was the best swap. I seem to remember you being the the one starting all of this sayintg that the 4.9 is a stupid swap.