California Kid v/s Viper Venom (Page 11/19)
Songman NOV 16, 12:48 PM
Can any of you guys actually read a thread? Margaritaz went back and read it and then changed his post...

I'll repeat if for you.. I will be here till the end of the week. I was very clear about that in my post. Sorry that you guys are so upset to lose your troublemaking buddies, but trust me, I am not the reason for it. The rest of the forum has spoken and is tired of troublemakers. Even without me, I predict that they are the first but not the last to go. So don't think me leaving will change anything. I am not arrogant enough to think it will. The good guys are just tired of getting abused by the bad guys. And it is about time.

Fiero5 NOV 16, 12:53 PM

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Originally posted by FastIndyFiero:

I doubt they're losing any sleep over getting banned, though.


I can guarentee you it's pissing them both off to no end
Sucks being them I guess. Hey Shaun, we know your reading this and getting all worked up cause your looking from the outside in and neither of you can post anymore of your always brilliant comments
Now I suppose your gonna e-mail me again telling me something I don't know, like that you saw this post as well huh?

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JohnnyK NOV 16, 12:55 PM

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Originally posted by Songman:

Can any of you guys actually read a thread? Margaritaz went back and read it and then changed his post...

I'll repeat if for you.. I will be here till the end of the week. I was very clear about that in my post. Sorry that you guys are so upset to lose your troublemaking buddies, but trust me, I am not the reason for it. The rest of the forum has spoken and is tired of troublemakers. Even without me, I predict that they are the first but not the last to go. So don't think me leaving will change anything. I am not arrogant enough to think it will. The good guys are just tired of getting abused by the bad guys. And it is about time.



That was an honest question. I was wondering if you just used that thread to bump up the red ratings, or not.. Doesn't matter now, it worked.

Songman NOV 16, 01:03 PM
Sorry Johnny, IT didn't work because that was not my intent. As I said, if it helped get those two out of here, that is just a positive by-product. As I also said, I am not arrogant enough to think that I hold that much power on this forum. That would have been a huge gamble for me, huh?

It does seem though, as some predicted, that the red bars will see my leaving as some sort of victory on their part.. But if that were true, I'd be staying now, wouldn't I? I'm leaving because I need a break from this BS. I am still an active part of the Fiero community and I will be back. I will check the forum periodically for PMs. I just won't be here everyday playing an active part as I have done for the past 4 years. I think the forum has taken a turn for the better and I think it will continue. I think more and more people see that they can make a difference and help stop the abuse on this forum... So I think I will come back to a better forum after my vacation.

One last point... Punisher started threads that he acted like were innocent questions when they were in reality just trying to start flame wars and abuse people that he disagreed with. He did this saying it was to keep BS off the forum. If I did what you think/thought I was doing, I'd be no better than him, would I?

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JohnnyK NOV 16, 01:32 PM

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Originally posted by Songman:

It does seem though, as some predicted, that the red bars will see my leaving as some sort of victory on their part.. But if that were true, I'd be staying now, wouldn't I?


In all honesty, I think you are taking this way too much to heart. It's just a forum, there is no great battle for the spice going on. Take a break, come back if thats what you need. But there is no 'war' going on, and if there is, it's all one sided. It's the 'greens' who PM each other back and forth talking about who they should vote. We just let things go.

But deep down, you never thought "This thread will get them banned for sure"?

donk316 NOV 16, 02:59 PM
Its all one giant green conspiracy to rid the forum of any attitude or personality that doesnt fit the status quo.

Im in utter aw at they amount of "victory flag" waving going on here. Good for you, you all ganged up on someone and "voted them out of paradise"

And you accuse us of having no life? When does the reality check kick in.


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BAN THE CONFORMISTS.

Songman NOV 16, 03:06 PM

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Originally posted by JohnnyK:


In all honesty, I think you are taking this way too much to heart. It's just a forum, there is no great battle for the spice going on. Take a break, come back if thats what you need. But there is no 'war' going on, and if there is, it's all one sided. It's the 'greens' who PM each other back and forth talking about who they should vote. We just let things go.

But deep down, you never thought "This thread will get them banned for sure"?



I know there is not a war.. I would call it more of a 'taking back'.

And no, honestly, I had no thought of that at all. I posted my true thoughts and feelings in that thread and I still mean every word of it. I can't speak for anyone else on the forum but I am one person you can take at face value. I'll be the same guy when you see me at an event as I am when I post on the forum. No hidden agendas at all. I think anyone who knows me will attest to that.

I have no desire to conspire to get anyone voted off. All I have ever done is publicly remind people that the ratings system doesn't work unless they use it. A lot of people have become tired of the constant flaming but wrongly figured that if they ignored it that it would go away. People have been realizing that is not the case, it only gets worse. I think most people here really want to get along and respect each other. My opinion is that the few that don't have no business here. Just my opinion and it is good for one vote each. So I hope I answered your question.... No, I did not say I was leaving to try to sway votes. Thank you for giving me that much credit, but I just don't think I have the power.

Songman NOV 16, 03:09 PM
Donk, get over it. No one ganged up on anyone. People are just finally getting tired of your 'gang'. No one is conforming to anything. We are just respecting other people. I'm sorry that is so foreign to you. The sad fact that you want to go around is that there are rules to this forum, and rules to society. Those rules are put there to protect the majority from the minority who would abuse them. You can call it conforming all you want. What it is is just plain old good manners and respect. Something that far too many of you are lacking in. Blame it on the evil ratings system, the conformists, the Republicans, Christians.. whoever you want. Just take note that you are always blaming someone when you should be looking inside.
JohnnyK NOV 16, 03:12 PM

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Originally posted by Songman:

Donk, get over it. No one ganged up on anyone. People are just finally getting tired of your 'gang'. No one is conforming to anything. We are just respecting other people. I'm sorry that is so foreign to you. The sad fact that you want to go around is that there are rules to this forum, and rules to society. Those rules are put there to protect the majority from the minority who would abuse them. You can call it conforming all you want. What it is is just plain old good manners and respect. Something that far too many of you are lacking in. Blame it on the evil ratings system, the conformists, the Republicans, Christians.. whoever you want. Just take note that you are always blaming someone when you should be looking inside.


There was definate ganging up. They corrospond through PM's regarding ratings, and this I know for a fact. What would you call that? Use the voting system as it's supposed to be, 1 anonymous vote.

Songman NOV 16, 03:21 PM
Well, I'm glad you know it for a fact, Johnny. Like I said, I can only speak for myself. I have never PM'd anyone trying to solicit a negative OR a positive vote for anyone. I'm glad you have your crystal ball and can see into people's PMs. I do however think that the red bars have conspired to protect each other from the rules. I can't go as far as you do and say that I know for a fact that they PM each other, but I have seen them say in public that they give positives just to keep each other here...

So even if it is as you say, which side is worse? Those trying to protect the rules, or those trying to break them?

One more thing, Johnny... I am sure you know who I voted for in the recent Presidential election. Does the fact that my one vote is no longer anonymous (ie, you know who I voted for) make it any less valid? No, I didn't think so. Ratings on this forum are anonymous other than the fact that there is one person who can see them all. Cliff. Beyond that, it is still one vote per person. It doesn't matter how much someone talks about it, either privately or publicly, I am sure no one convinced someone to vote in a way that they wouldn't have anyway...

So much for the consiracy theory and we are just back to rulebreakers getting their due.

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