PR, I feel your pain. I understand your legitimate reason to have your knickers in a bunch over this, I'm sure I would have been pissed as well. I think Yello has an issue worthy of addressing as well. However, I think that your verbal abuse of others has done so very little to help your situation, and Yello's veiled threats of litigation are something that I would choose to put myself FAR away from if I were you.

At this point, the seal is broken. What has been done cannot be undone. I think it might be a good idea to decide what exactly is going to give you satisfaction, and are you willing to live with your anger if you don't get it. Remember, anger can be a poison. Don't let yourself be consumed.

As far as judging your car, from the pictures I have seen and the accounts of your buildup I'd say without a question it is one of the most desirable Fieros in existance. You know it is, and do you really need a trophy to tell you that?

Purple, I really don't think you were lied to. The judges were not part of CFOGi and should not have agreed to judge your car before getting the green light from CFOGi officials. From one of your own threads it was stated that CFOGi had determined that the vehicles had to be driven through the judging lanes under their own power. For the judges to tell you that they would deviate from that decission was their mistake and Bob Holtz should not be castrated for enforcing that decission. He may have come off as a jerk but he was correct in stopping the judges from giving preferential treatment to one individual. In fact I was standing near your car and heard you tell someone that the judges were going to walk over and judge the car were it sat. I remember thinking to myself; "it's not fair that this guy can have the judges come look at his broken, undrivable car while everybody else has to drive through the line"

As for the written rules; The only reference I could find for the judging lanes is within the class description for Y-class (street car). It states that the vehicles will be driven through a judging lane. Granted, this is within the Y-Class description, but I would think that any reasonable person would expect a car to be at least running and drivable to be judged regaurdless of the classification (except perhaps "work in progress class).

It sounds like CFOGi and MFC did everything they could to help your situation. This was CFOGi and MFC biggest event ever, and as you well know there was a lot of chaos and unexpected events/situations. Not every minute detail of every possible situation can be planned out or fore-seen. We can only learn from these things and hopefully they can be avoided in the future.

Turbotoad.............there is no thread that states or shows anything about the knowings of being required to drive through judging lanes. Dale already admitted this, so get your facts straight. Eveyone else has said the same thing, it is absurd to be have to go sit in a long line to go through judging lanes and never has enyone been to a show where they do this, the judges come around TO the cars & do thier job.

To the both of you.........remember it isnt like I rolled this thing off the trailer not running or without an engine completly like I did at the Dells ( and still got best in class ) it ran from Chicago all the way to there and for a day & a half WHILE THERE.........THEN blew. Beyond anyones control, I still say it should have been judged with the rest since it was not INTENTIONALLY not running.

P.S. I also suggested that I could push it up to the lanes like some others sort of got away with but Bob wouldnt have of it......

Purple,

He does have his facts straight. As he said, it was in the Street Class (Y) description, portions of which follow. I think it's terrible that you weren't able to be judged, and personally, I think judging lanes were probably not the best way to go about it. I was there, and entered my car in street class. I also opted out of the judging.

Note here that I am not making a statement on the show, or how it was run. Simply pointing out that, as turbotoad said, this was present in the street class description. Any reasonably person could have probably assumed that all classes would be required to drive through the judging lanes, but not all reasonable persons would likely have read the street class description, as it did not pertain to them.

From the class description, copied from the CFOG-I web site, which I read prior to the show, and can attest was there:

"Class Y: Street Class
...This class is designated for the Fiero owner who would like to participate in the show but does not want to spend a lot of time preparing his/her car for full show competition. Body and Interior wear and damage will be accepted in this class...

...The car will be required to be driven through judging lanes and will be judged for overall appearance at an eye level."

As CFOGi director and webmaster, there was a converstion via chat that the question was raised to Robert Holtz.

Do the cars have to be under there own power?

Roberts answer was "yes, all classes".

So in CFOGi frame of mind, all day Saturday, most that remember that conversation were under that impression. At 3:15pm I became aware of the issue with Shaun and continued to try help resolve this in a positive manner.

You will note in one of George Ryan's post that Huffraker was to judge the "race cars" and he didn't show up at the 20th. I think George is still working on that actually.

So, please understand CFOGi was going by what was told, and documented somewhat on the website. CFOGi will try our best to make sure this does not happen again.

I'm just wondering what it would take to make it "right". Or at least acceptable.

Are you going to stay chapped about this situation for the rest of your life? You'll stay a lot healthier (stress, blood pressure, etc.) if you can recognize that people just messed up, and let it go.

Merely an observation. Peace.

It was sonethign that the judge did wrong , MFC CFOG did not make this occur, However , the 2 clubs paid the judges to do the job correctly, thence, the 2 clubs must make the situation right,. This has nothign to do with anyone at the show or anyone on the board here.
I had the time of my life there and enjoyed all my volunterism also.

National event, problems in coms between the local lcub and national club = pissed off people.............................

Boy doesnt all this sound familier?

Im sorry things turned out as they did.

I have heard of other shows (not Fiero) where you had to drive by the judges.