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84fiero123 OCT 15, 10:37 PM

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Originally posted by skuzzbomer:


If he was, no. But the car is insured, even if he isn't the policy holder, so as long as he has "permission" from the owner/holder to use said vehicle, there's not much you can say about it that you haven't already posted here. You've put in your 2ยข (and then some), and you're not going to change anybody's mind so all of this added vitriol is just a waste of time and bandwidth.

But, feel free to keep up the abuse. Really, it's no skin off my back. I just took a bit of offense when you went out of your way to attack all young people simply because you can't get off some other guy's nuts long enough to realize that nobody really cares what somebody on the internet has to say. So, keep it classy, Steve.



Not true, unless he has insurance of his own on a vehicle he owns that is not necessarily true, see you can't just give someone unfettered use of your vehicle unless they are on the policy, read your policy. letting someone who doesn't live with you permission to drive your car once in a while is one thing, continuously everyday, NO.


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Originally posted by theBDub:


That is true. I was actually in the middle of posting a comment to him to tell him that it was inappropriate... but I refreshed the page because the comment density is so strong and I wanted to see what was said before I hit reply.

What do ya know... You went right back at him with it.


All I know is this entire discussion went this way because of you, Steve. And it was an unwarranted attack in the first place. You are bitter against young folk, you're bitter against engineers, and you're bitter against success. It's sad.




No I didn't, he did in his very first post and if he hasn't deleted that yet as he did his evidence of reckless driving video, you can see that. But because you are his age and I have said things that you don't like about engineers so you will continue to see him as being right.

Steve

edit to add.

I don't see him disputing anything I am saying, and if some one was accusing me of insurance fraud and I was innocent I would be all up the guys ass with proof to the contrary.


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Originally posted by nitroheadz28:

Since my employment thread got locked thanks to a couple of old fart douches,

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ls3mach OCT 15, 10:48 PM
I don't want to come off as more of an ******* than I am... Every thread of this nature goes like this. If you need a commuter car to and from work, stop being an idiot and get one. You are POOR. You know it, I know it, we know it, it's known. Buy for your budget. If you had money you'd get the car you want. PERIOD. You don't. You are now trying to mix worlds together that aren't congruent. If this is a good engineering job, buy a "SMART" car. Take your lumps. Earn some money. Buy 2 cars or buy 1 car that does both. Your stupid and non-consistent, I don't want's aren't within your lifestyle. You are on a "need" basis. You don't have the luxury of "want". Brennan did. He CAN afford. Why don't you look past the fun, it is an 80 mile commute, within 3 weeks, it sucks. I put 30k a year on my truck. I love my truck, you know what I hate? DRIVING. My Fiero, isn't capable of doing my loads. If I was in it, I'd still hate the drive.

Having said that... 2 things.
I have a Mazda Prtoege. 2002. Single owner. 80k at the most. Jenny has raved about how great it has been. She started driving more than 5 miles a day, well you can crunch the number and she had less than 60k within 2 years ago. Piddly crap. She should have done better on routine. A belt has broken, which really effed things. I had to replace the belt, and while that was horrid (no tension-er and the other belt had to come off). The shraidder valve for the A/C got "knocked" off. That wasn't expensive, just a pain. The driver window motor has went out. I locked it into place. She is horrible on brakes. I get better mileage driving than she does. The gears seem VERY high RPM. Years ago she was taking me and my roommate home, drunk, we both thought she drove in 2nd or 3rd the whole trip. The car has been simple enough, I expect it to go another few years without major repairs. Most of it will be due to age and not abuse. Honestly, the car is probably worth 3k tops. I wouldn't sell it for less than 6k. I know the records. LOW mileage. It would be hard to replace unless we bought new again.

My pick is a Prizm. LSi. I miss mine. Better than 40MPG regularly. Same as a Corolla.

Fiero sucks for commuting. Mine is for sale. Your budget wouldn't cover it though. EVERY Fiero I have ever owned is not a get in and drive car. Quirky. Small. Hassle. Fun.

Owned a 9-3 2003. If you like stupid crap breaking, GREAT. Not fast. I did enjoy the options and the peppy of the car. Leather. Slap-shift. Plenty of passenger space. If I had another, I'd have 2. one for parts... Always joked. I bet the heated seats break...in the 'on" position. Everything that was simple and stupid broke. It felt over engineered and gimmicky.

Lengthy post. Use your brain. If the job is good, buy something else later. Do the smart and sensible thing. I think we are around the same age, with you being slightly younger. When you can buy whatever you want, you will really be pissed at you for not making better decisions previously.
ls3mach OCT 15, 10:52 PM

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Originally posted by dratts:

MIATA! Plus since it's been labeled a chic car there's a good chance you can find one that hasn't been thrashed. Not only are they economical they handle really good. I've followed one on a curvy road in my Fiero and could barely keep up. I've had one behind me on a curvy road too and I couldn't shake it. Perfect for a commuter. You don't need a four seater to commute unless you're carpooling.



I've had the same. Mine shakes them on the easy. I don't know if I could lose Randy's Big Gulp, but I think we'd all enjoy the show.
maryjane OCT 15, 11:07 PM

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Originally posted by 84fiero123:


he might, that's his bag not mine. Just a privileged kid with no brains and other peoples money to buy his toys, daddy owns a body shop and tries to keep him out of trouble, but then he hasn't got the brains god give a basird rat, even with all that education he is still dumber than a bag of hammers.

Steve



Excuse me, while I go take a trip down memory lane.......
ls3mach OCT 15, 11:07 PM

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Originally posted by 84fiero123:

Not true, unless he has insurance of his own on a vehicle he owns that is not necessarily true, see you can't just give someone unfettered use of your vehicle unless they are on the policy, read your policy. letting someone who doesn't live with you permission to drive your car once in a while is one thing, continuously everyday, NO.





You are wrong. Jenny SMASHED a new Ford Explorer with my commercial truck. When I say "commercial"... I mean my company truck, insured, owned, and powered by 100% corporate funds. Insurance paid without a glimpse of concern for who was driving. Which was massively awesome for me because I was going to write the woman a check for the damages. Holy crap though did my truck destroy her vehicle. I sustained $1300 worth of damages. Hers were in the 5 figure range. Residential. Actually, mostly my driveway and the street. This was last year. If that helps debunk your "knowledge".
84fiero123 OCT 15, 11:19 PM

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Originally posted by ls3mach:
You are wrong. Jenny SMASHED a new Ford Explorer with my commercial truck. When I say "commercial"... I mean my company truck, insured, owned, and powered by 100% corporate funds. Insurance paid without a glimpse of concern for who was driving. Which was massively awesome for me because I was going to write the woman a check for the damages. Holy crap though did my truck destroy her vehicle. I sustained $1300 worth of damages. Hers were in the 5 figure range. Residential. Actually, mostly my driveway and the street. This was last year. If that helps debunk your "knowledge".



commercial vehicles insurance is different but I will tell you that you are lucky that they did that, real lucky. I am sure you are allowed a lot of leeway with drivers when you have a commercial vehicle as they are sometimes driven by dozens of drivers and you can't always list them all, because drivers can change from day to day or even moment to moment.


a private vehicle is another thing, he lives with his dad as far as he has said before, his brother insured his car, his words, if he wasn't on there as a primary driver and it doesn't sound like he was he is really not covered, because he is the only one driving it now isn't he.

he is screwing the system and anyone of us because of that. people that do that is one of the reasons the rest of us who do things legally are charged huge rates to compensate for uninsured motorist like him.

Steve
nitroheadz28 OCT 15, 11:25 PM

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Originally posted by ls3mach:

I don't want to come off as more of an ******* than I am... Every thread of this nature goes like this. If you need a commuter car to and from work, stop being an idiot and get one. You are POOR. You know it, I know it, we know it, it's known. Buy for your budget. If you had money you'd get the car you want. PERIOD. You don't. You are now trying to mix worlds together that aren't congruent. If this is a good engineering job, buy a "SMART" car. Take your lumps. Earn some money. Buy 2 cars or buy 1 car that does both. Your stupid and non-consistent, I don't want's aren't within your lifestyle. You are on a "need" basis. You don't have the luxury of "want". Brennan did. He CAN afford. Why don't you look past the fun, it is an 80 mile commute, within 3 weeks, it sucks. I put 30k a year on my truck. I love my truck, you know what I hate? DRIVING. My Fiero, isn't capable of doing my loads. If I was in it, I'd still hate the drive.

Having said that... 2 things.
I have a Mazda Prtoege. 2002. Single owner. 80k at the most. Jenny has raved about how great it has been. She started driving more than 5 miles a day, well you can crunch the number and she had less than 60k within 2 years ago. Piddly crap. She should have done better on routine. A belt has broken, which really effed things. I had to replace the belt, and while that was horrid (no tension-er and the other belt had to come off). The shraidder valve for the A/C got "knocked" off. That wasn't expensive, just a pain. The driver window motor has went out. I locked it into place. She is horrible on brakes. I get better mileage driving than she does. The gears seem VERY high RPM. Years ago she was taking me and my roommate home, drunk, we both thought she drove in 2nd or 3rd the whole trip. The car has been simple enough, I expect it to go another few years without major repairs. Most of it will be due to age and not abuse. Honestly, the car is probably worth 3k tops. I wouldn't sell it for less than 6k. I know the records. LOW mileage. It would be hard to replace unless we bought new again.

My pick is a Prizm. LSi. I miss mine. Better than 40MPG regularly. Same as a Corolla.

Fiero sucks for commuting. Mine is for sale. Your budget wouldn't cover it though. EVERY Fiero I have ever owned is not a get in and drive car. Quirky. Small. Hassle. Fun.

Owned a 9-3 2003. If you like stupid crap breaking, GREAT. Not fast. I did enjoy the options and the peppy of the car. Leather. Slap-shift. Plenty of passenger space. If I had another, I'd have 2. one for parts... Always joked. I bet the heated seats break...in the 'on" position. Everything that was simple and stupid broke. It felt over engineered and gimmicky.

Lengthy post. Use your brain. If the job is good, buy something else later. Do the smart and sensible thing. I think we are around the same age, with you being slightly younger. When you can buy whatever you want, you will really be pissed at you for not making better decisions previously.



You aren't, I appreciate your "honest" take on things. You're right, the worlds aren't congruent- and I'm not even trying to get the best of both. I just don't want a lifeless toaster oven kinda car, thats all I ask. You're making it out like I'm trying to buy an Evo or something like that to commute with though, I think a Miata/ Golf/ 9-3/ many of the other vehicles mentioned in this thread are all practical and affordable choices. With that said, thank you for the input on your experiences. Stupid crap I can live with, as long as it wont leave me stranded or not start for me on a Monday morning.

Contrary to you though, I LOVE driving- and the right vehicle just enhances the experience so much more. I've done my 100 mile commutes in a crappy base new econobox, and I've done it in my Fiero, Grand Prix, and the Trans Am. None of those 3 were as fuel efficient or anywhere near reliable, but they put a huge smile on my face and instantly made me feel better after a rough day- or even in the morning commute just starting my day. I'd also disagree and say that the Fiero is a fantastic commuter in terms of comfort and layout at least, its just the fact that they're old and less than reliable. As I mentioned previously, if I could find a turn key 3800 swapped one thats been gone through- I'd strongly consider it. So far its the most comfortable car I've owned and driven, it fits me like a glove and I loved taking 3-500 mile trips in it.
84fiero123 OCT 15, 11:28 PM
See it works like this, if I borrow your CAR, not your commercial vehicle I have insurance on my cars and that gives me a rider policy to your cars policy, now my wording may be wrong, its been decades. but I am covered in your car under my policy and it will get hit first before they hit your policy. sort of complicated and it does vary by state but that is how its supposed to work, if I live in you r house and don't have a car insured and use your car I have to be on your policy as a secondary or down the ladder driver. ask your agent in the morning.

Steve
ls3mach OCT 15, 11:29 PM

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Originally posted by 84fiero123:


commercial vehicles insurance is different but I will tell you that you are lucky that they did that, real lucky. I am sure you are allowed a lot of leeway with drivers when you have a commercial vehicle as they are sometimes driven by dozens of drivers and you can't always list them all, because drivers can change from day to day or even moment to moment.


a private vehicle is another thing, he lives with his dad as far as he has said before, his brother insured his car, his words, if he wasn't on there as a primary driver and it doesn't sound like he was he is really not covered, because he is the only one driving it now isn't he.

he is screwing the system and anyone of us because of that. people that do that is one of the reasons the rest of us who do things legally are charged huge rates to compensate for uninsured motorist like him.

Steve



I'll take my chances of you being ignorant of the law, insurance, and in general. I am not lucky with this incident. Jenny has NO ties to my commercial policy.

Let me be VERY clear with you. A friend of mine sells me my commercial and personal polices, not my Fiero, that's Grundy. I am insured in anything I drive. Personal and commercial. Most full coverage drivers are. I can only speak for my state. Unless someone is specifically prohibited from that vehicle. insurance covers that vehicle. It is usually ideal for a full coverage driver to file a claim against their personal policy even though they were not driving their vehicle. This was not how my claim was filed. I initially gave them my previous Fiero insurance, which covered both Jenny and myself. The husband came back to our house, had an issue and brought police. I gave them my trucks policy and we (not the police) ended up filing against that insurance. I was, until police got involved, willing to write a check for the accident.

I can also speak, for the most part, in Louisiana. This has been my experience there too.


Don't believe everything that you think.
maryjane OCT 15, 11:31 PM


"His bag" Steve? I was talking about you Steve. You see, there are lots of ways our insurance premiums go up, and one of them, is when people have their cars stolen. Theft insurance has to pay off, and all of us who have full coverage (includes theft) end up paying higher premiums. You know a little bit about that don't ya Steve? The archives never sleeps, and it can't be deleted or edited (except by Cliff Pennock)
Thread:
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...110502-6-070440.html

Post:
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...02-6-070440.html#p12


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Maybe he invented the "drive it like you stole it" slogan ?


I never understood that line.

And I stole cars for a living many, many, many moons ago.

When we stole cars we would drive them following all road rules to the letter. Just so we would not get chased. The chop shops we dealt with did not want any heat.

Now if the driver really wanted to get away all he had to do was drive into a mall covered parking lot and get out of the car under cover.

Steve
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and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't.
Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.



And if memory serves me correctly (it does) this is not the only time you referred to your stint in "Da Business" I'll be happy to provide the links if you need your memory refreshed.

Now, does this make nitroheadz any less culpable in regards to his liability? No--he needs to get his insurance straightened out. But it does, put him, in exactly the same boat you were in regarding being the cause of insurance premiums going up. He's doing something stupid in his youth--just like you did.

(sometimes, I really hate having a good memory at my age)
G'nite all.