28 dead (18 children) at an elementary school (Page 10/15)
Cooter DEC 14, 06:19 PM

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Originally posted by Darth Fiero:


Here in Indiana, in order to get a permit to carry a handgun, you have to submit to a criminal background check on the local, state, and federal level that can take a few weeks to process. They record your personal info including fingerprints at the time you submit the application. It isn't just an "NICS" you get at wal-mart.



You already have to do that to be a teacher.
newf DEC 14, 06:23 PM

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Originally posted by loafer87gt: If someone wants to find a way to kill, they will - firearm or not. Look at the mass murder that took place in China where the weapon of choice was a knife. The problem is the individual, not the damn weapon.




There were school attacks in both China and the U.S. in the last 24 hours, both are sickening but only one was a mass murder.

Red88FF DEC 14, 06:42 PM
Ok, just for you gun control nuts. In what countries were the two highest body count school shootings? Then after you have researched this we can talk about their gun laws. Really, any further discussion from you after that is irrelevant. If you already knew, then you are a ________ and a big one too.
RotrexFiero DEC 14, 06:54 PM
I think the real problem, or at least what many of these killers have in common, is a long history of mental health problems. They have multiple run-ins but yet health privacy laws prohibit doctors and clinicians from doing anything. The de-institutionalization of america has lead to high prison populations and more of these nuts running around the general public. Some disorders, like schizophrenia, should be carefully watched. It's incurable and life long. Even families are asking for more legal leverage but insurance (they dont want to pay) along with civil rights groups are huge obstacles.

This guy, at age 20, is likely to have had a psychotic break. Often there are noticeable signs up to to this point. It may not have been full blown psychosis but delusional thinking, intense rages of anger, and suicidal ideation.
rogergarrison DEC 14, 07:04 PM

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Originally posted by Purple86GT:


You want to carry? become a cop or join the military. Otherwise your just a puss. with dick envy.

Only cowards cary guns in fear of what "might happen" And yes, the criminals are cowards to! Back in the day, scores were settled with words and fists. Now any cowardly little scronny punk can carry a gun and shoot someone. But hey, its your right...




I carry a gun because its almost a necessity in these times of high crime. Im 65, usually carry substantial money on me, and Im a little afraid of all the under 25 guys wandering the streets armed to take what they want, usually in groups. Call the police and ask the mugger/robber to wait for 30 mins for the cops to come. Ya, right. Id rather be a live coward myself than a dead one. I dont call it cowardly myself, I call it evening the field. I dont have a chance of beating up 2 or 3 twenty year old guys...that are also armed with my bare hands and a whistle.

Maybe what it will take for you to figure it out is for you to get the crap beat out of you walking to your car some nite from a couple of guys who need $20 for a fix. See how your brave, fat, bad azz works out. Your the kind of idiot I got my gun to protect myself from.

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Red88FF DEC 14, 07:07 PM

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Originally posted by RotrexFiero:


This guy, at age 20, is likely to have had a psychotic break. Often there are noticeable signs up to to this point. It may not have been full blown psychosis but delusional thinking, intense rages of anger, and suicidal ideation.



I guess his brother said he had mental issues, either Asperger's or autism. As far as I know neither of those mental afflictions tend towards violence. Anybody?
fastblack DEC 14, 07:16 PM

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Originally posted by Purple86GT:


You want to carry? become a cop or join the military. Otherwise your just a puss. with dick envy.

Only cowards cary guns in fear of what "might happen" And yes, the criminals are cowards to! Back in the day, scores were settled with words and fists. Now any cowardly little scronny punk can carry a gun and shoot someone. But hey, its your right...




You sir, are an idiot.

That being said, my prayers go out to everyone involved in this tragedy.
Niterrorz DEC 14, 07:20 PM

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Originally posted by RotrexFiero:

I think the real problem, or at least what many of these killers have in common, is a long history of mental health problems. They have multiple run-ins but yet health privacy laws prohibit doctors and clinicians from doing anything. The de-institutionalization of america has lead to high prison populations and more of these nuts running around the general public. Some disorders, like schizophrenia, should be carefully watched. It's incurable and life long. Even families are asking for more legal leverage but insurance (they dont want to pay) along with civil rights groups are huge obstacles.

This guy, at age 20, is likely to have had a psychotic break. Often there are noticeable signs up to to this point. It may not have been full blown psychosis but delusional thinking, intense rages of anger, and suicidal ideation.



ehh i dunno how i feel about open medical checks for guns. ive tried killing myself (obviously i failed) and spent 3 days under observation. was it with a gun? hell no, was it a mistake? yup im glad i didnt do it, have i bought a gun since then? yes i bought my m9 a year later, have i ever been violent with a gun towards someone else? nope hope i never have to be.

while im sure that there are cases where you should have something in place to prevent a gun sale to someone who has been in a ward or at least make sure that there is little to no chance of a violent action with a gun in the future. i dont know how it could be done without infringing on others rights. i know i would hate to have 1 mistake in my life deny me from things i enjoy doing (target practice mainly) or just the joy of owning exptice fire arms which is what i collect.
blackrams DEC 14, 07:32 PM

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Originally posted by dsnover:

God, take the hand of those little ones who come to you, as they are scared and may not know you. Be with the families, ease their suffering.




My heart aches for those who lost their lives too early to know the sweetness of life. May God hold those lost and those that survived close and give them the strength to get through this.
I can not fathom the depth of such a loss much less the reason.

Ron


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Ron
A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.
So, what do ya think, are we there yet?

Gokart Mozart DEC 14, 08:00 PM

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Originally posted by Lambo nut:

Or rocks, or bricks,or hammers, or Marvin's favorite, #2 pencils.

Kevin



Not Marvin, The Joker.

On a more serious note, the killer's mother was a teacher at the school. He probably has been there, maybe several times, and the staff or someone knew him and let him in. My thought is if he did have emotional issues, he might have thought his mom spent more time and loved her students more than she did him. The weapons were hers and he took them. If they were locked up, he might have the key or combination being a family member. His girlfriend is missing, last I heard.