Terrorists throw support behind Democratic candidate Barrack Obama (Page 10/11)
Oreif MAY 16, 11:13 AM

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Originally posted by AP2k:


one case has a private industrialist aiding (for arguement's sake, unwittingly) Hitler's rise to power,



"For arguments sake"??? First Bush became part of the industry because of his Father-in-law. He did not start the company himself. Second, When he became vice-president of A. Harriman & Co in 1924, Hitler was in prison!

Thyssen had been an early financial backer of the Nazi party, but by 1939 was bitterly denouncing Hitler and had fled Germany. He was later jailed by the Nazis for his opposition to the Nazi regime. By 1941 Thyssen no longer had control over his business empire, which was in the hands of the Nazi government. They were the ones who were dealing with the UBC.

Finally, the U.S. government ordered the seizure of German banking operations in New York City under the Trading with the Enemy Act. The order cited the Union Banking Corporation (UBC), of which Bush was a director and held only one share. He was not the president of the company. That was Cornelis Lievense.

So let's see, the link above notes that Bush was a "director" and "shareholder" with companies associated with Thyssen. The UBC which happen to be associated with the CSSC and thus associated with Thyssen who supported the Nazi party because he knew Germany needed to get out of the depression, is the "Link to Hitler" that the article spins about Prescott Bush supporting Hitler's rise to power. Isn't that like the "six degrees of Kevin Bacon" theory?

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BTW ~ The other party involved with Thyssen were the Rockefellers. Everyone says the Bush family got their money from aiding the Nazi's, Well the Rockefellers made a lot of their money from Thyssen as well. In fact the Chase Bank today was formed out of the 31% of Thyssen's holdings that were released after the war and given back to the registered partner, Rockefeller! So if you have a Chase bank account or a Chase sponsored credit card, You are associated with a company that supported the Nazi's as well.
Conspiracy theorist unite !!

If you go by that theory, Then how did we get a "double" traitor as president now? I mean GW's grandfather was Prescott Bush who "supported Hitler" and his mother Barbra Bush is Barbra Pierce who is the direct decendant of Franklin Pierce. Our 14th President who supported the Confederacy and helped Jefferson Davis become the confederate president, was the first president to hit someone while being DUI, and is historically known as one of America's worst and most unproductive presidents. So we have a president who on his father side of the family supported Hitler which gave us WWII and on his mother's side supported confederacy causing our own civil war!

Oh wait, That's right this thread is about Barrack Obama being supported by terrorists. So let's go with Barrack Obama spent some of his youth in Jakarta which is mostly Islamic in religion, (Obama is not Islamic.) Palestinians and the Hamas group follow the Islamic religion. Since the afore mentioned groups dislike GW for his actions, policies, and attitudes of how the mideast has been treated and Barrack Obama lived in a mostly Islamic country and attended Islamic run schools, It only makes sense that they would prefer Obama.

Or better yet, Obama's former law firm did some work for Rezmar Corp. Rezmar is part of a group building a power plant in Iraq and are using Jordanian banks for the financing.
Jordan is the country that kicked out Palestinians which caused the PLO to be formed. The Hamas took power over the PLO after Arafat passed on. So there would be no Hamas without the PLO, No PLO without Jordan kicking out the Palestinians. Rezmar is assisting Jordan financially by utilizing their banking system, and Obama's former law firm has done work for Rezmar. By connecting the dots, (Obama to Rezmar to Jordan to the PLO to the Hamas) Hamas is supporting the U.S. candidate who is associated with how they came to power. Right?


I can spin it other ways as well. The point is, It is all because you can spin it 100 different ways. The best way to spin it is the way it will get the most attention towards the authors cause. Personally, I prefer to do my own research and form my own opinions about the presidential candidates. All of these stories they blast thru the media are not designed to get the "facts" out, They are out to grab attention and cause contraversy so that the media source can get their biased opinion out to their like minded readers and make more money.

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fierobear MAY 16, 02:58 PM

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Originally posted by AP2k:


And we had justification for giving billions to the Mujahideen why? Its not quite the same: one case has a private industrialist aiding (for arguement's sake, unwittingly) Hitler's rise to power, and the other case has the CIA aiding bin Laden's rise to power.



You have to consider the world, at the time. We were still in the middle of a cold war with the Soviet Union. Everyone was afraid that the next war would be between them and the U.S., and that nukes could be involved. We wanted to help defeat the Soviets in Afghanistan. As it turns out, our efforts helped the Afghanis defeat the Soviets, and it was a factor that led to the fall and breakup of the Soviet Union.

If you want to know more about this, go rent "Charlie Wilson's War". It is very informative about those times.
TRiAD MAY 16, 05:15 PM
Exactly. Bin Laden (as Saddam Hussein) once was friendly with the US and our interests (not talking oil here).
Heck, Saddam Hussein was given the "keys to the city" in Detroit, before anyone knew he was the type of person he turned out to be.
Bin Laden was plenty friendly, too...When we were supporting him.

When Kuwait asked for help, Bin Laden was offended they didn't ask him.
He felt his (US-backed) troops were enough to fight off Iraq, and he felt that it would be better for his Islamic group to try (and lose if necessary) than to have "infidels" on their soil.
Yeah, this is all about a spoiled little oil brat getting butt-hurt because his neighbors called in the big dog for help, instead of asking him.
In the "intelligent" thinking of an extremist's mind; "Jihad on the infidels!".
In reality...He's just butt-hurt.

~M
AP2k MAY 16, 06:32 PM

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Originally posted by Oreif:
"For arguments sake"???



Ohh, so you know Prescott Bush personally and he told you that he had no idea Hitler was a racist? Prescott Bush became involved in 1924, and continued until 1942.

Fun fact: Mein Kampf was published in 1925, one year after Prescott Bush started dealing with the Germans.


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Originally posted by fierobear:
You have to consider the world, at the time. We were still in the middle of a cold war with the Soviet Union. Everyone was afraid that the next war would be between them and the U.S., and that nukes could be involved. We wanted to help defeat the Soviets in Afghanistan. As it turns out, our efforts helped the Afghanis defeat the Soviets, and it was a factor that led to the fall and breakup of the Soviet Union.

If you want to know more about this, go rent "Charlie Wilson's War". It is very informative about those times.



The only scary thing about the "Red Scare" was the rust on the MiGs. I don't even know what you're pissing your pants over the nukes for since they had almost no nuclear delivery systems that could touch us without getting into Cuba or from Alaska. The entire reason they made Big Ivan was because there were no delivery systems, so they had to make the bomb bigger to ensure their bombers were well out of range of anti-aircraft fire and still hit their target. (The maximum range of the bomb with uranium tamper was ~120 miles.)

It turns out that our founding fathers outlining what we can and cannot do in the Constitution and their other writings would have saved us 3000 in New York, 4000 and counting in Iraq, and untold trillions that we have wasted bombing people the respective administrations just didn't like that day.

I know the times, and I know that the American people ate the propaganda up just like they do today. Thankfully I didn't live through them or I would probably be believing it, too. Its cool, Johnny, radiation can't get you under a desk.


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Originally posted by TRiAD:
Exactly. Bin Laden (as Saddam Hussein) once was friendly with the US and our interests (not talking oil here).
Heck, Saddam Hussein was given the "keys to the city" in Detroit, before anyone knew he was the type of person he turned out to be.
Bin Laden was plenty friendly, too...When we were supporting him.



We loved the guy so much that we gave weapons and aid to his enemy during the Iran-Iraq war? Saint Hussein even used chemical weapons in 1984: http://www.iranchamber.com/...re_iran_iraq_war.php

What a cool guy.

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fierobear MAY 16, 07:20 PM

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Originally posted by AP2k:
The only scary thing about the "Red Scare" was the rust on the MiGs. I don't even know what you're pissing your pants over the nukes for since they had almost no nuclear delivery systems that could touch us without getting into Cuba or from Alaska. The entire reason they made Big Ivan was because there were no delivery systems, so they had to make the bomb bigger to ensure their bombers were well out of range of anti-aircraft fire and still hit their target. (The maximum range of the bomb with uranium tamper was ~120 miles.)




This is really curious. The Soviets beat us into space, had better heavy-lift capability until the Space Shuttle, and flew regular missions into space. Are you telling me their ICMBs were incapable of reaching the United States? Yes, I know about the Cuban missle crisis. We also had similarly threatening missles in Turkey. I believe that had to do with quick first strike capability, not because either side lacked a delivery method.
Oreif MAY 17, 08:40 AM

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Originally posted by AP2k:

Ohh, so you know Prescott Bush personally and he told you that he had no idea Hitler was a racist? Prescott Bush became involved in 1924, and continued until 1942.

Fun fact: Mein Kampf was published in 1925, one year after Prescott Bush started dealing with the Germans.




No, I did not know Prescott Bush personally. But if you would take the time to do actual research you would find out that the Harriman bank that later merged with Brown Bros in 1931 then became the UBC. The president of the UBC was Cornelis Lievense who also happened to be on the board of directors of a Dutch bank, Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart, and that bank was owned by Fritz Thyssen.

So an industrialist who owns a few businesses, one being a dutch bank, Is going to tell his board of directors in a Dutch bank he's been scammed by an evil dictator?
And if he does, Is one director who happens to be president of a U.S. bank (and 4 other companies) going to relay the same information to one of his directors in one of his banks?

That's what 3 degree's of seperation right?
So for example let's say a bank director gets scammed into funding a local terrorist.
The bank director happens to use software from a Neatherlands business.
The owner of the software company happens to run an automotive forum that you are a member of.
So does that mean you know for a fact that you are supporting a local terrorist? By a biased author who wants to spin it, You do.
You know the software business owner and he knows the bank director, That's 3 degree's I'm sure the bank director has passed on thru the software owner to you about all his actions right?

Fun Facts:
Mein Kampf was dictated to Rudolf Hess while Hitler was in prison in 1924. The book was only published in 1925 in Germany and only in German. How many books back then do you think were published in different languages for different countries??? Do you think Hitler got out of prison and thought he should send a copy of his book to a director of a bank in New York? Do you think he sent copies to say France and England?

The Bush family is being sued by 2 Auschwitz former slave labourers. Auschwitz is in Poland. It was opened in June of 1940.
By May of 1940 the UBC assets were frozen by the U.S. government because Cornelis Lievense (president of the UBC) was charged with
aiding the enemy Because he was on the board of directors of a Dutch bank that was no longer controlled by Thyssen, but taken over by the Nazi government AFTER they invaded. So how could Bush's family have ANY connection to Auschwitz?? By 1934 Thyssen was realizing that he was being scammed and in 1939 tried to run to Argentina, He was caught in occupied France in ealy 1940 and sent to prison.

Also the Bush family made its wealth/fortune, BEFORE Prescott Bush, in the railroad and U.S. steel companies. They did not get into politics until after the war.
SuperchargedV6 MAY 17, 09:51 PM
Take a look at this link http://www.myspace.com/kafir_alalazoo and watch the first movie on the lower right called American Alienation. It makes you think and gets you to remember all the things that have been clouded over and forgotten. Hope some enjoy it. Rick B
SuperchargedV6 MAY 17, 09:55 PM
Here is another you may like to see showing our men are proud to fight for our country.
http://www.warriorsthefilm.com:80/Movie.html
I feel all of those who hate our country should just leave and go to a better place instead of complaining and spewing hatred. No one is forceing people to stay especially when so many are flocking here daily and always have for a better life compared to most other places. Rick B
SuperchargedV6 MAY 17, 10:08 PM
By the way since they should go after everyone,, Lets go after Ford motor company as they made the Tri motor planes and many other things for Hitler directly. Henry Ford was in Bed with him suppling many of his needs.

Most people also had no clue Hitler was going to do what he did so fast and were out of the picture when the war started. Time makes people start to tell many lies and make up many false stories,, Tell a lie long enough & it becomes truth. The ture story changes as it is re-written over time. Rick B
AP2k MAY 18, 12:10 AM

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Originally posted by fierobear:


This is really curious. The Soviets beat us into space, had better heavy-lift capability until the Space Shuttle, and flew regular missions into space. Are you telling me their ICMBs were incapable of reaching the United States? Yes, I know about the Cuban missle crisis. We also had similarly threatening missles in Turkey. I believe that had to do with quick first strike capability, not because either side lacked a delivery method.



Of course they could reach us, but they didn't have nearly as good of guidance systems as we did. Our scooping up of von Braun after WW2 assured our lead. No guidance system would mean they couldn't hit a specific target. It would be folly of the highest caliber to make a first strike with a weapon that has crappy aim.