4 Custom wheels from the vendor of his choice. But he won't be getting those from me because I do have a 4.9 However, anybody that feels froggish all they have to do is jump.

Pistons have no effect when adding a turbo. too funny.

When you bought your "fast" car did you learn about thermal technology?

Built in normal, but it doesn't have a domestic engine. So it must make you half patriotic.

I always get a kick when these people own asian vehicles which are POS and add a turbo
and think they are gods gift because their somewhat fast. Same goes with their argument that
Asia has better cars.

too funny.

The Fiero grabs peoples attention, the SBC V8 is fun, and is nice to cruise around in. I bring it to the ocasional show/meet and its a part time daily driver. I don't have a powerful small block in it now but someday I will. My DSM is my drag/street car. Its what you will find me in, or under :P , late at night on the streets at the local hangouts with the quicker cars from the Twin Cities. 90% of the cars that my DSM hangs out with are blown nitroused cobras, modded GNs, twin turboed camaros, DSMs, two bad ass supras, and a world beater civic hatch.

Most DSMers ie. eclipse/talon/laser turbo owners are anything but rice boys. Here is a quote I dug up from a magazine.

"Eclipse tuners are a strange sort. They prefer stock wheels and paint. They dont like talking about wings or color matching side skirts and interior. And they wouldn't be caught dead checking out a Wings West Catalog. Sure, occasionlaly you might spot a shy intercooler hiding behind an Eclipse front end or a three-inch exhaust jiggling out the back, but for the most part you'd be lucky to find hubcaps. After all, that's added weight, you know. Eclipse tuners are performance obsessed sleeper fanatics who dream only about downpipes, exhasut gases, and wastegates. Their cars arent pretty, but have the ability to spank you silly on the highway. In other words, Eclipse tuners write checks their cars can cash. They dont spend money on 12-inch subs or amps. Systems only add to the weight and decrease performance. Mention the word "chrome" and they might drop a boot to your skull."

BTW, a good friend of mine has a dsm motor that has made well over a hundred dyno pulls at 500+ WHP on a STOCK motor with cams. A lot of these pulls were between 30-40 PSI. He has ran a best of 11.2 and mph of 129MPH. This motor has lasted through this abuse for two seasons and is showing no signs of letting up. This is what you can expect out of the 4g63 if its properly tuned, a reliable powerful motor.

Here is a list from one of the dyno shops in town of our local group of DSMs and BTW somebody moves up the list about every other week. None of the cars have a body kit and all are stock in appearance except for one. Call these guys rice, most do, and most will lose.

1. Brent 744whp
95 Eclipse GSX T78 + nitrous 9.18@152

2. Shane 664whp
99 Eclipse GSX T4 10.4@130 Best mph 138

3. Cher 617whp
91 Eclipse GSX T3 Some FP turbo 11.3@130MPH

4. Momin 556whp
91 Eclipse GSX T3/T4 SC3561 11.5s 129mph

5. John 547whp
90 Talon AWD T3/T4 60-trim 11.0@128mph

6. Andy 531whp
91 Talon AWD SCM61 11.2 129mph

7. Isaac 501whp
90 Laser FWD T4 60-1 11.6@130

8. Jeremy 470whp
99 Eclipse GSX Green 11.9@128

9. Brian 456whp
95 Eclipse GSX T3/T4 SC3561 12.1 and 115mph Pump gas

10. Steve 454whp
92 Talon AWD FP Red 11s and 123mph

I like the whole Domestic/Import rivalry when its respectful, unfortunately it always seems to be the ignorant uniformed few that run their mouths and start all the BS. Frankly, there are some awesome cars on this forum (most of these owners haven't made a peep in this thread) that are dipping into the elevens and that is impressive, but can the rest of us lay off the bench racing a bit? I mean its not even the thick of winter yet (bench racing season) and this thread is full of it. :P

Happy modding

Jim

87 GT T-TOP SBC V8
95 Talon TSi AWD 2.4l 4g64

1) Who said anything about ADDING a turbo? My car already came with one and thus the pistons are designed to handle boost much better than a piston not designed for it, as stated above the stock engines in these cars are over-engineered quite well.

2) The turbo itself doesn't affect anything except for airflow, its the person who sets up the turbo, controls the boost, timing advance, fuel flow, engine internals etc in the proper sequence and strength to keep the engine together.

3) The turbo has an effect on the piston if you dont know wtf your doing, but the only thing the turbo knows is that it is getting exhaust from somewhere and its going to spin as fast as it can with the given energy from that exhaust.

4) If what someone buys is the only thing that determines how patriotic they are how about you return about every piece of electronic equipment, a good percentage of the clothes you own, the majority of the gas you buy and a good portion of the parts on your "domestic" car because they did not come from the good ol USA. Also, I hate to be the first to tell you this but this is a global economy and no matter how hard you try you will never be able to buy all American. We just dont make enough of everything we do make here to support us alone and there is alot of stuff that we dont make at all that we need.

5) I never said they didnt have domestic turbo's, in fact I named one. Dodge shadow turbo.

Jimmy - Thats what I would like to do, have both but apparantly people cant accept that anything other than a v8 can be fast. Also, thats a nice list of cars you have in your area, we've got quite a few cars around here i'd like to get ahold of but you how it works, you always see em cruisin around in the beater or something and not your "good" car lol

I have a 2.4 g4cs 6 bolt block sitting on a stand waiting for whenever I get enough money to finish it as well, did you do a 6 or 7 bolt with yours?

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There is no replacement for: AWD, high rpm's and very very big turbo's

I used the g4cs block, 6 bolt, but you know that because its a g4cs. We have 2 4g64 7 bolts locally, one walked within 1500 miles the other ran a 10.4 and made 667whp. Go figure? I state I have a 4g64 cause people don't know what the heck a g4cs block is. I had www.qprinc.com build the block for me. Eagle rods, 8.8:1 wiseco forged pistons with teflon side skirts, arp head studs torqued to 100 ftlbs with 4g64 head gasket, using dsmlink to disable random misfire code when you use the 1g cas. I love this motor, off boost low end torque is great for city driving.

Here is a video of the 7 bolt 2.4l 664whp GSX from the list http://www.straightlinespecialties.com/video/Shane10.4.wmv

Pat, hows it going? I ran a 12.9@109mph on pump last year on the stock motor and some basic upgrades. This year I built up a 2.4 motor, added dsmlink (basic stand alone), fuel mods, turbo mods, better clutch, bunch of little stuff. I hope to get it to the track this year, I may have to travel south as the tracks are closed in the Minnesota area. The thought of driving 600 miles in one direction just to drag race doesn't bother me in the least bit! A group of us are planning to hit up a track sometime in the next month, preferably an IHRA track.