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blackrams
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SEP 04, 09:21 AM
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Florida plans to become first state to eliminate all childhood vaccine mandates
https://www.msn.com/en-us/h...sb?ocid=BingNewsSerp
| quote | ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. (AP) — Florida plans to become the first state to eliminate vaccine mandates, a longtime cornerstone of public health policy for keeping schoolchildren and adults safe from infectious diseases.
State Surgeon General Dr. Joseph Ladapo, who announced the decision Wednesday, cast current requirements in schools and elsewhere as “immoral” intrusions on people's rights that hamper parents' ability to make health decisions for their children.
“People have a right to make their own decisions, informed decisions,” Ladapo, who has frequently clashed with the medical establishment, said at a news conference in Valrico. “They don’t have the right to tell you what to put in your body. Take it away from them.”
Florida's move, a significant departure from decades of public policy and research that has shown vaccines to be safe and the most effective way to stop the spread of communicable diseases, especially among schoolchildren, is a notable embrace of the Trump administration's agenda led by Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr., a longtime anti-vaccine activist.
Dr. Rana Alissa, chair of the Florida Chapter of the American Academy of Pediatrics, said removing vaccines puts students and school staff at greater risk.
“When everyone in a school is vaccinated, it is harder for diseases to spread and easier for everyone to continue learning and having fun,” Alissa said in an email. “When children are sick and miss school, caregivers also miss work, which not only impacts those families but also the local economy.”
Democratic state Rep. Anna Eskamani, who is running for Orlando mayor, said in a social media post that scrapping vaccines “is reckless and dangerous” and could cause outbreaks of preventable disease.
“This is a public health disaster in the making for the Sunshine State,” Eskamani said on the social platform X.
Amid turmoil at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention caused by Kennedy's extensive restructuring and downsizing, the Democratic governors of Washington, Oregon and California announced Wednesday that they had created an alliance to safeguard health policies, contending that the administration is politicizing public health decisions. The partnership plans to align immunization plans based on recommendations from respected national medical organizations, according to a joint statement from the states' governors.
Vaccines have saved at least 154 million lives globally over the past 50 years, the World Health Organization reported in 2024. The majority of those were infants and children.
“Vaccines are among the most powerful inventions in history, making once-feared diseases preventable,” said Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, WHO director-general.
In Florida, vaccine mandates for child day care facilities and public schools include shots for measles, chickenpox, hepatitis B, diphtheria-tetanus-acellular pertussis, polio and other diseases, according to the state Health Department’s website.
Ladapo didn't give a timeline for the changes but said the department can scrap its own rules for some vaccine mandates, though others would require action by the Florida Legislature. He did not specify any particular vaccines but repeated several times that the effort would end “all of them. Every last one of them.”
The American Medical Association issued a statement saying Florida’s plan to end vaccine mandates “would undermine decades of public health progress.”
“While there is still time, we urge Florida to reconsider this change to help prevent a rise of infectious disease outbreaks that put health and lives at risk,” said Dr. Sandra Adamson Fryhofer, an AMA trustee.
Under Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, Florida resisted imposing COVID vaccines on schoolchildren during the pandemic, requiring “passports” for places that draw crowds, school closures and mandates that workers get the shots to keep their jobs.
“I don’t think there’s another state that’s done as much as Florida. We want to stay ahead of the curve,” the governor said.
DeSantis also announced the creation of a state “Make America Healthy Again” commission Wednesday modeled after similar initiatives that Kennedy established at the federal level.
The commission would look into such things as allowing informed consent in medical matters, promoting safe and nutritious food, boosting parental rights in medical decisions about their children and eliminating “medical orthodoxy that is not supported by the data,” DeSantis said. The commission will be chaired by Lt. Gov. Jay Collins and Florida first lady Casey DeSantis.
The commission's work will help inform a large “medical freedom package” to be introduced in the Legislature next session, which would address the vaccine mandates required by state law and make permanent the recent state COVID decisions relaxing restrictions, DeSantis said. |
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I'm actually surprised by this. Wasn't long ago that a measles outbreak occurred, a disease thought to be totally eliminated from the US. That outbreak was due to those who didn't get their kids or themselves vaccinated. To attend public and possibly private schools, kids should be vaccinated. Parents do and should have the right to refuse but also bear the responsibility for their child's and public health results. No vaccination, home school your kids. Although, some may think of this as a political issue (and it seems to be becoming one) I consider a much greater health issue.
Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy is one of the bad decisions DJT has made that I cannot support. Some apparently feel otherwise.
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Rams
Learning most of life's lessons the hard way. . 
You are only young once but, you can be immature indefinitely.[This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 09-04-2025).]
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82-T/A [At Work]
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SEP 04, 09:39 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
Florida plans to become first state to eliminate all childhood vaccine mandates
I'm actually surprised by this. Wasn't long ago that a measles outbreak occurred, a disease thought to be totally eliminated from the US. That outbreak was due to those who didn't get their kids or themselves vaccinated. To attend public and possibly private schools, kids should be vaccinated. Parents do and should have the right to refuse but, also bear the responsibility for their child's and public health results. No vaccination, home school your kids. Although, some may think of this as a political issue (and it seems to be becoming one) I consider a much great health issue.
Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy is one of the bad decisions DJT has made that I cannot support. Some apparently feel otherwise.
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This should probably be in P&R. Like others on here who have traveled for the Government, I've been vaccinated every which way I can possibly imagine, including Anthrax, which if anyone else here knows... it's not fun.
We've also gotten our daughter vaccinated with almost everything... but my wife (who's a Democrat) insisted on taking a different approach. She wanted to break up the vaccines, and not take cocktails. This upset two pediatricians that we had our daughter going to... because they had to order special vaccines and couldn't use the ones they already had in the office. I didn't fight this... because I largely agree. The vaccines we take today are far different than what we took in the 80s and 90s. You look at the health of the food today, compared with yesteryear, and it directly corellates with everything else in society. Vaccines have been modified over the years to be cheap and efficient. That means combining vaccines in multiple cocktails (not just the MMR), and replacing tried and proven "fillers" and other ingredients, with cheaper alternatives.
If you look at the ingredients in many of these vaccines of today, the absorption of many of the elements are 4x what an adult male should be exposed to at any given time... and we're giving this to an adolescent girl. Things like aluminum and other stabilizers and fillers... today's vaccines are basically **** .
The biggest problem is that the vaccine industry is essentially run by big-pharma. So... these companies lobby both the FDA and Congress (to then send strongly worded letters with the threat of funding, to the FDA) to approve or recommend certain things. Most of the vaccines we take in the United States, aren't even allowed in places like Europe, or even Canada. They are still "vaccinated" for the same things as we are (for the most part), but they are much more highly regulated on these kinds of things in Europe... while at the same time, having much more freedom for allowing experimental drugs than the United States does. There's a whole thing on that, which I won't delve too much into... but it basically has to do with one company lobbying the CDC and FDA, in order to maintain supremacy in a market, by convincing them to not approve other drugs. It's what we call crony capitalism.
We got our daughter vaccinated for almost everything, but I didn't do the COVID-19 shot because it just didn't make any sense at all for her to be "vaccinated" with something that isn't really a vaccine anyway. But we broke up all of her shots and spread them out with greater distances between them... it just made sense to.
When I read Dr. Lapado's statement... I cannot help but agree with it. "The government has no right to tell you what you will put in your body."
From my perspective... things go in cycles. Big Pharma has lost our trust. They do excellent work, but it's also a business, and one that has had a very horrible past. They often abuse poor populations as test subjects for their drugs. Even as recently as the 90s, Pfizer infected some 10k African children (Cameroon I think?) with syphilis, in order to test their vaccine. Many children died. So... there's a lot of repair work that needs to be done. The same exact thing has been happening with our food. The "RFK" is unwell and crazy, and crackpot, is largely pushed by corporations who stand to lose a lot... I mean, a LOT of money.
The other thing I dislike, is the assumption the government makes that every girl will grow up to become a crack whore. Within seconds of my daughter being born, she was on some table, and they stuck some gel in her eyes, which was a vaccine for some kind of sexually transmitted disease. My wife has no STDs... haha... so there was no point there, but also... why give a vaccine to a child that's not even 2 minutes old?
This kind of stuff just kills me.
I think parents have the right to decide what kids get... if parents want to vaccinate their children, they can. Besides, parents shouldn't be concerned if their own children are vaccinated... right?
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blackrams
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SEP 04, 10:34 AM
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I understand your position and do agree partially with you on some of it. I also somewhat mostly agree about vaccinations for adults but, that ends when it comes to children attending public schools. The measles example is just one example of how things go south if not addressed. If the government (states and school systems) aren't the one(s) to require all kids attending to be vaccinated, then who ensures another measles outbreak won't happen. Measles is just one example, what's the next health crisis that could have been avoided? Polio again?
BTW, my Spousal Unit is also a Democrat and disagrees with this Florida movement to eliminate mandatory vaccines. But neither of us would disagree with you and your wife's approach to how your daughter received her vaccinations. I'm thinking this will become a hot topic in the health and school systems. Cliff can move this to wherever he feels is most appropriate, there will be no hard feelings on my part. So few go into that section though, it will most likely die a quick death there. Although there is a political part of this, it's much more a health issue as far as I'm concerned.
Rams[This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 09-04-2025).]
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82-T/A [At Work]
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SEP 04, 11:33 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
I understand your position and do agree partially with you on some of it. I also somewhat mostly agree about vaccinations for adults but, that ends when it comes to children attending public schools. The measles example is just one example of how things go south if not addressed. If the government (states and school systems) aren't the one(s) to require all kids attending to be vaccinated, then who ensures another measles outbreak won't happen. Measles is just one example, what's the next health crisis that could have been avoided? Polio again?
BTW, my Spousal Unit is also a Democrat and disagrees with this Florida movement to eliminate mandatory vaccines. But neither of us would disagree with you and your wife's approach to how your daughter received her vaccinations. I'm thinking this will become a hot topic in the health and school systems. Cliff can move this to wherever he feels is most appropriate, there will be no hard feelings on my part. So few go into that section though, it will most likely die a quick death there. Although there is a political part of this, it's much more a health issue as far as I'm concerned.
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"If the government (states and school systems) aren't the one(s) to require all kids attending to be vaccinated, then who ensures another measles outbreak won't happen. Measles is just one example, what's the next health crisis that could have been avoided? Polio again?"
On this... the assumption is that parents will make a more informed decision on what vaccines their child should get. If a vaccine is actually a vaccine, it should prevent the vaccinated kids from getting Measles and Polio. The reason why we've had an outbreak of these things, is because, quite frankly... illegal immigrants (even in Florida) are provided free public education, AND... are not required (by asylum laws) to get vaccinated.
My wife has worked for two public school systems... NEISD in Texas, and in the county we live in, in Florida. Both of them turn a blind eye when the child is clearly not a citizen, and they waive vaccine requirements. I have to assume the same policy exists for liberal states that are a lot more amenable to illegals. The vaccine requirement has only been for citizens. Of the small outbreaks that have occurred, they're almost entirely among illegal children who aren't vaccinated, who they themselves brought these illnesses to the country in the first place.
There was a lot of... gross misinformation that came from the CDC, FDA, and HHS the last 4 years. They updated the definition of "vaccine" on their website three separate times to align with the fact that the COVID "vaccines" didn't have the effectiveness that were initially claimed. The reality is... a true vaccine does REALLY vaccinate you from a potential future infection. It does lose it's effectiveness over time, and it often requires another shot (like DTAP or MMR) for your body to rebuild the B & T cells. So, if someone gets the MMR, or Polio vaccine, they SHOULD NOT actually get measles (or mumps or rubella) or polio if there is an outbreak among people who don't have it. They don't actually offer the polio vaccine anymore. You can still get it, but it's elective. It's something I've considered... because it can absolutely be used as a bioweapon because anyone born after 1976 isn't vaccinated for it.
But again... the media misrepresents this information (even Politifact and Snopes). These outbreaks are brought by migrants who have never been vaccinated with anything, where their native populations still have these contagions. The CDC under the previous administration stated that the measles outbreaks came from migrant shelters, among those who aren't vaccinated: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/vo...s/73/wr/mm7319a1.htm
The bottom line for me is... we've taken the freedom out of vaccines, and we've imposed Keynesian economics on the entire industry. This gives companies the opportunity to cut corners, and it becomes a self-licking ice cream cone to reduce costs (because much of it is funded through Medicaid for poor families), etc. Real vaccines make sense, and the way to make them successful again is to have companies compete. Make no mistake that if this trend continues... companies will WANT you to get vaccinated so they can make money... consumer reports will then say which are better, and other companies will provide information for which ones you should get (meaning... different versions of MMR, or breaking them out, etc.). And everyone will be better for it. I would never hesitate for a second to give the vaccines to my daughter that I took growing up. They are TOTALLY different today... all in the name of saving a buck, since they're mandated... it's a compulsory purchase.[This message has been edited by 82-T/A [At Work] (edited 09-04-2025).]
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blackrams
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SEP 06, 08:51 AM
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While we aren't in total agreement, at least those who wish to be vaccinated will still have the option.
Rams
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82-T/A [At Work]
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SEP 06, 12:05 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
While we aren't in total agreement, at least those who wish to be vaccinated will still have the option.
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You're not allowed to have an opinion different than me. This isn't how I was promised life would work...
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blackrams
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SEP 06, 11:38 PM
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Sorry, forget to remember to bow upon entry.
Rams  [This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 09-06-2025).]
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