They can't see the Forrest for the trees. Tennessee lawmakers. A Confederate general. (Page 2/12)
rinselberg MAR 20, 11:00 AM
I don't think that memorials to the Confederacy have any proper place where the people's governance is conducted, like state capitol buildings and courthouses.

I can't think of a better place than the nearby Tennessee State Museum.

A "full and fair" recounting of the life of Nathan Bedford Forrest would present him as a plantation owner and a big-time slave trader who amassed a considerable personal fortune from the fruits of the institution of Southern slavery. That alone might put him alongside Robert E. Lee in terms of how he fits into a modern perspective.

But there's more than just that on the "resume" of Nathan Bedford Forrest.

His name has become almost synonymous to the history-minded with the Fort Pillow Massacre of April 12, 1864.

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The Fort Pillow Massacre in Tennessee on April 12, 1864, in which some 300 African-American [U.S. or pro-Union] soldiers were killed, was one of the most controversial events of the American Civil War (1861-65). Though most of the Union garrison surrendered, and thus should have been taken as prisoners of war, the soldiers were killed. The Confederate refusal to treat these troops as traditional prisoners of war infuriated the North, and led to the Union’s refusal to participate in prisoner exchanges.

Editors of History(.com); November 9, 2009; updated June 21, 2019.
https://www.history.com/top...fort-pillow-massacre

He was the first "Grand Wizard" of the Ku Klux Klan, from 1867 to 1869, and was instrumental in the creation of the original "Klan" in the aftermath of the Civil War.

I'm open to anything else that might be presented as part of his story, but his story belongs in the Tennessee State Museum.

His imposing visage, cast in bronze, should not be imposing itself on people who enter the Tennessee State Capitol Building.

For those who perused the video content and (or) the text of the two online articles that I offered, this pending relocation of "NBF" to the Tennessee State Museum seems to be some kind of "package" deal, involving a similar relocation of a bust of the Union's celebrated Civil War admiral, David Farragut, and some other U.S. or Union "guy" (I think) and maybe another Civil War-associated figure To Be Named Later plus Cash Considerations.

I'd have to review the content that I posted again to narrow that down.

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williegoat MAR 20, 11:19 AM
I have no problem with moving the statue and including all historically accurate information. It is a much better solution than that which is often proposed in such situations. I am always opposed to anything that obscures historical truth.

Of course, the final disposition should be left to the people of Tennessee.
sourmash MAR 20, 12:37 PM
If you aren't from TN, your opinion has zero relevance on what the people of the State do. Stfu and mind your own business.

The majority of states defined marriage in their constitutions or passed laws defining it. What pansies did (approximately 4 couples per state) was move into the states and file federal cases to overturn the state's decisions. The United States didn't approve homo marriage. Federal judges did and forced it on the people.
Nobody around here cared who was homosexual prior to the dictate. Now they do.

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rinselberg MAR 20, 05:01 PM
I won't say that I couldn't be mistaken about this, but I don't think that big bronze bust of Nathan Bedford Forrest has a long term lease anymore on its current domicile in the Tennessee State Capitol building.

Of course, that prediction could reflect some wishful thinking on my part.

But this isn't really about Tennessee or what happens there.

It's about me. About what I want to put on display here. What thoughts and ideas I want to express. When there are others who engage a Topic that I have started with their own Reply messages, that adds to the experience for me in a positive way. More positive, or less positive, depending on who (particularly) from the Pennock's roster comes in and what they have to say.

For me, it's entirely recreational. Like a hobby. A very slowed down way of having my coffee.

In this way I become part of the forum's evolving (or is it merely "revolving"..?) aesthetic, and I have no reason to think that this is not entirely within the permission structure of my Pennock's user account.

"QED"
Hudini MAR 20, 05:35 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

I won't say that I couldn't be mistaken about this, but I don't think that big bronze bust of Nathan Bedford Forrest has a long term lease anymore on its current domicile in the Tennessee State Capitol building.

Of course, that prediction could reflect some wishful thinking on my part.

But this isn't really about Tennessee or what happens there.

It's about me. About what I want to put on display here. What thoughts and ideas I want to express. When there are others who engage a Topic that I have started with their own Reply messages, that adds to the experience for me in a positive way. More positive, or less positive, depending on who (particularly) from the Pennock's roster comes in and what they have to say.

For me, it's entirely recreational. Like a hobby. A very slowed down way of having my coffee.

In this way I become part of the forum's evolving (or is it merely "revolving"..?) aesthetic, and I have no reason to think that this is not entirely within the permission structure of my Pennock's user account.

"QED"



You have no say in how the business of my state is conducted on a state level. Any attempts to interfere will be met with a jaded eye.
sourmash MAR 20, 06:10 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:
In this way I become part of the forum's evolving



Well, it's only a short time I've been here and the O/T has moved substantially to the right, so, there you go.
cliffw MAR 20, 07:45 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:
I don't think that memorials to the Confederacy have any proper place where the people's governance is conducted, like state capitol buildings and courthouses.



Who do you think you are ? A new and improved Carpetbagger ? I don't think so.
blackrams MAR 20, 09:11 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

Of course, the final disposition should be left to the people of Tennessee.



That would be my opinion. It's their bust, their history and their right to decide what they want to do.

If you're not from TN, your opinion means squat. That applies to myself also.

Rams
randye MAR 21, 12:16 AM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

I don't think that memorials to the Confederacy have any proper place where the people's governance is conducted,




That applies to ALL DEMOCRATS, whether they be an effigy or presently alive.

They ALL need to be kept far away from the levers of power in this country.

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rinselberg MAR 21, 02:20 AM

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Originally posted by Hudini:
You have no say in how the business of my state is conducted on a state level. Any attempts to interfere will be met with a jaded eye.


The first thing about this "Hudini-ism" is that it leaves me wondering what part of my message he did not understand. I mean the message from me that he reproduced using the Quote format, right before he said "You have no say . . ."

The second thing is that--well, let me go back to the first thing. I didn't say that I had any say about what happens in Tennessee. I just expressed an opinion about it.

"Attempts to interfere" . . ? Not from me. I'm not that into this thing. But if I did try to "interfere" in some way, I think I'd keep it to myself. I don't think I would talk about it here.

So there is no second thing. Actually there was, but I didn't like how it turned out, so I deleted it.

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