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MidEngineManiac FEB 27, 12:51 PM
"THINK" about these statements!!

"If I get vaccinated":

1.- Can I stop wearing the mask?
Government: No

2.- Can they reopen restaurants, pubs, bars etc and everyone work normally?
Government: No

3.- Will I be resistant to covid?
Government Response - Maybe, but we don't know exactly, it probably won't stop you getting it

4.- At least I won't be contagious to others anymore?
Government Response - No, it doesn’t stop transmission.

5.- If I am vaccinated, can I stop social distancing?
Government: No

6.- If I am vaccinated, can I stop disinfecting my hands?
Government: No

7.- If I vaccinate myself and my grandparents, can we hug each other?
Government: No

8.- Will cinemas, theatres and stadiums operate as per normal thanks to vaccines?
Government: No

9.- What is the benefit of the vaccine?
Government Response - Hoping the virus won't kill you.

10.- Are you sure it won't kill me?
Government: No

11.- If statistically the virus won't kill me anyway (99.7% survival rate) ... Why would I get vaccinated?"
Government Response - To protect others.

12.- So if I get vaccinated, I can protect 100% of people I come in contact with?
Government: No

Can you guarantee that I won’t experience adverse affects from taking the vaccine or die from the vaccine itself?
Government Response - No
Since you’re encouraging every Canadian to get vaccinated then when people experience severe adverse reactions, long term effects (still unknown) or die from the vaccine will they or their families be compensated?
Government response: NO - the government and vaccine manufactures have 100% zero liability in experimental stages.
-How long does the vaccine last?
Government response- we aren’t sure.

So to summarize, the Covid19 vaccine...

Does not give immunity.
Does not eliminate the virus.
Does not prevent death.
Does not guarantee you won’t get it.
Does not stop you passing it on
Does not eliminate the need for travel bans.
Does not eliminate the need for business closures.
Does not eliminate the need for lockdowns.
Does not eliminate the need for masking.

That is all.
IMSA GT FEB 27, 01:29 PM
Bottom line for me.....no shots and keep wearing a mask. So far so good.
Monkeyman FEB 27, 03:58 PM

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Originally posted by MidEngineManiac:

"THINK" about these statements!!

"If I get vaccinated":

1.- Can I stop wearing the mask?
Government: No

Not entirely correct. Once we reach herd immunity, we can stop wearing masks. On the other hand, is it that difficult to wear one?

2.- Can they reopen restaurants, pubs, bars etc and everyone work normally?
Government: No

TOTALLY incorrect.

3.- Will I be resistant to covid?
Government Response - Maybe, but we don't know exactly, it probably won't stop you getting it

Incorrect. Without the vaccine, you are 0% resistant to getting the Coronavirus unless you're one of the very few who seems to be naturally resistant. With the vaccine, you will be between 70-95% resistant. Without the vaccine, you have a 100% chance of a severe reaction to the Coronavirus. With the vaccine, the chance that you'll have a SEVERE case of the CV decreases dramatically.

4.- At least I won't be contagious to others anymore?
Government Response - No, it doesn’t stop transmission.

It will if you don't get it.

5.- If I am vaccinated, can I stop social distancing?
Government: No

Again, totally incorrect. Once we have herd immunity, we can go back to what we were doing, pre CV. On the other hand, are you sure you really want to?

6.- If I am vaccinated, can I stop disinfecting my hands?
Government: No

Why would this even be a concern??? If you don't wash your hands, stay away from me, CV or not.

7.- If I vaccinate myself and my grandparents, can we hug each other?
Government: No

One more time, TOTALLY incorrect. My folks are in their late 70s and have been vaccinated. I'm still waiting to be vaccinated. One of the things I'm looking forward to is given them a hug once I've been vaccinated.

8.- Will cinemas, theatres and stadiums operate as per normal thanks to vaccines?
Government: No

Incorrect.

9.- What is the benefit of the vaccine?
Government Response - Hoping the virus won't kill you.

At least this one is partially correct. The benefits are 2 fold. First, the vaccine should keep you either FREE of the CV. Second, if you happen to get it, your symptoms should be greatly reduced.

10.- Are you sure it won't kill me?
Government: No

I'll give you this one. Even though there have been trials, there's the slim possibility that the vaccine COULD kill you. It hasn't yet and after almost 100 MILLION vaccinations, I highly doubt it will, but in theory, it could.

11.- If statistically the virus won't kill me anyway (99.7% survival rate) ... Why would I get vaccinated?"
Government Response - To protect others.

It's not just about not KILLING you. It's also about temporary or PERMANENT damage to you. Have you ever almost drowned? Some of the worst CV symptoms are similar. What's wrong with helping to keep others a bit safer? Do you hate your spouse, kids, neighbors, friends, etc?? Sure sounds like you do.

12.- So if I get vaccinated, I can protect 100% of people I come in contact with?
Government: No

Of course not. And if you wear a seatbelt and get in a wreck, you're not guaranteed 100% you won't get hurt.




I don't know where you're getting your information but you might try finding a source that actually knows what they're talking about.
williegoat FEB 27, 04:45 PM
I'm ready for my shot, but I'll be damned if I am going to wait a month for the second dose.

rinselberg FEB 27, 08:59 PM

"Covid fatigue? I hear you."

There's a new article that addresses every one of MidEngineManiac's long list of questions. It's like it was written with MidEngineManiac in mind. Since it is Covid-related content, I think anyone could access it and scroll through it without being blocked by The Atlantic's subscriber-only paywall.

This is one of the best parts, but there are many other good parts:

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Sometimes, experts and the public discussion failed to emphasize that we were balancing risks, as in the recurring cycles of debate over lockdowns or school openings. We should have done more to acknowledge that there were no good options, only trade-offs between different downsides. As a result, instead of recognizing the difficulty of the situation, too many people accused those on the other side of being callous and uncaring.

And sometimes, the way that academics communicate clashed with how the public constructs knowledge. In academia, publishing is the coin of the realm, and it is often done through rejecting the null hypothesis—meaning that many papers do not seek to prove something conclusively, but instead, to reject the possibility that a variable has no relationship with the effect they are measuring (beyond chance). If that sounds convoluted, it is—there are historical reasons for this methodology and big arguments within academia about its merits, but for the moment, this remains standard practice.

At crucial points during the pandemic, though, this resulted in mistranslations and fueled misunderstandings, which were further muddled by differing stances toward prior scientific knowledge and theory. Yes, we faced a novel coronavirus, but we should have started by assuming that we could make some reasonable projections from prior knowledge, while looking out for anything that might prove different. That prior experience should have made us mindful of seasonality, the key role of overdispersion, and aerosol transmission. A keen eye for what was different from the past would have alerted us earlier to the importance of presymptomatic transmission.

Thus, on January 14, 2020, the WHO stated that there was “no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission.” It should have said, “There is increasing likelihood that human-to-human transmission is taking place, but we haven’t yet proven this, because we have no access to Wuhan, China.” (Cases were already popping up around the world at that point.) Acting as if there was human-to-human transmission during the early weeks of the pandemic would have been wise and preventive.

Later that spring, WHO officials stated that there was “currently no evidence that people who have recovered from COVID-19 and have antibodies are protected from a second infection,” producing many articles laden with panic and despair. Instead, it should have said: “We expect the immune system to function against this virus, and to provide some immunity for some period of time, but it is still hard to know specifics because it is so early.”

Similarly, since the vaccines were announced, too many statements have emphasized that we don’t yet know if vaccines prevent transmission. Instead, public-health authorities should have said that we have many reasons to expect, and increasing amounts of data to suggest, that vaccines will blunt infectiousness, but that we’re waiting for additional data to be more precise about it. That’s been unfortunate, because while many, many things have gone wrong during this pandemic, the vaccines are one thing that has gone very, very right.



"5 Pandemic Mistakes We Keep Repeating"
Zeynep Tufekci for The Atlantic; February 26, 2021.
https://www.theatlantic.com...ng-backfired/618147/


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Zeynep Tufekci is a contributing writer at The Atlantic and an associate professor at the University of North Carolina. She studies the interaction between digital technology, artificial intelligence, and society.

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Jake_Dragon FEB 27, 10:15 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

I'm ready for my shot, but I'll be damned if I am going to wait a month for the second dose.




Lisa wants to know if that will make you pickle goat.
williegoat FEB 27, 10:27 PM

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Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:

Lisa wants to know if that will make you pickle goat.


Is she from India?
82-T/A [At Work] FEB 28, 09:20 AM
Couple of things:

1 - The masks prevent essentially all face recognition and detection capabilities that FBI and DHS have throughout the country. For good or bad... that's up for you to decide.
2 - The state of Florida has eliminated all mask mandates, and every single COVID restriction. They are wildly successful, and other states are failing while Florida is kicking ass (as usual)
Monkeyman FEB 28, 09:26 AM
MEM, IMSA GT, 82-T/A [At Work]---You guys (and others who think like you) are the reason why we've had 500k CV related deaths in the US. Congratulations! Job well done. /smh/
82-T/A [At Work] FEB 28, 09:34 AM

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Originally posted by Monkeyman:

MEM, IMSA GT, 82-T/A [At Work]---You guys (and others who think like you) are the reason why we've had 500k CV related deaths in the US. Congratulations! Job well done. /smh/




Monkeyman, you (and others who think like you) are the reason why we had internment camps, the KKK, the 380k killed in the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Eugenics, 1.2 million abortions every year, 20+ trillion in national debt, poor people, and people shitting in the streets in San Francisco. I see your 500k and raise you all the black people you killed.