How to NOT Be an Idiot When it Comes to Politics, (its not black and white) (Page 1/2)
2.5 DEC 21, 09:46 AM
A basic truth that holds many people back from understanding, at the 20 min mark.
What they speak about is one of the media's main tools.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udFMuRWub7U
"Misrepresenting"

So many good points here.
l'll just mention one other one, the 1:02:00 min mark.

If you decided not to hear other peoples opinions, and marked "do not see politic threads" sadly you may never see this.

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(Group identities)

Don't let them divide and conquer us.

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2.5 DEC 21, 10:40 AM
Most times when people have arguments over important things, I see what I think is alot of people just trying to defend their views, or jab at the other view, sort of tit for tat, instead of trying to get to and show the truth.

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MidEngineManiac DEC 21, 11:21 AM
But...but....but...

I enjoy being a polidiot.
williegoat DEC 21, 11:28 AM

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Originally posted by 2.5:

Most times when people have arguments over important things, I see what I think is alot of people just trying to defend their views, or jab at the other view, sort of tit for tat, instead of trying to get to and show the truth.



Maybe that's the difference between an argument and a discussion, the difference between a battle for superiority and a quest for enlightenment.
rinselberg DEC 21, 11:38 AM
I wish I had a better understanding of how some people on this forum get their ideas about what is happening around the world.

For example, as news reports continue to emerge about the big Russian (allegedly) cyber espionage operation or the "Solar Winds networking hack" one of our Pennock's guys seemed to be drawing a connection between that and the idea that the Presidential election was skewed by fraudulent voting and vote counting. He said (in so many words) that the "media" was "mum" on this topic.

I produced this very recent Twitter message from Chris Krebs, who was the director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency or "CISA' within the Department of Homeland Security. Chris Krebs was the CISA director since at least as far back as March, when the Solar Winds-related cyberattack is believed to have been already underway. He was CISA director during the November general elections.

I said that the "media" was not "mum" about this topic, because it was the "media" that informed me about this Twitter message.

It's difficult to have "engagement" on conversations like that. I fully expect that same Pennock's guy to appear again tomorrow or next week with another message that disses the "media" for being "mum" about something else, and I will be able to find one or more reports in the "media" that eviscerates this idea that the "media" is hiding or overlooking something important about that--whatever that is going to be.

I feel like I'm stuck within a Time Loop.
2.5 DEC 21, 12:20 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

I wish I had a better understanding of how some people on this forum get their ideas about what is happening around the world.

For example, as news reports continue to emerge about the big Russian (allegedly) cyber espionage operation or the "Solar Winds networking hack" one of our Pennock's guys seemed to be drawing a connection between that and the idea that the Presidential election was skewed by fraudulent voting and vote counting. He said (in so many words) that the "media" was "mum" on this topic.

I produced this very recent Twitter message from Chris Krebs, who was the director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency or "CISA' within the Department of Homeland Security. Chris Krebs was the CISA director since at least as far back as March, when the Solar Winds-related cyberattack is believed to have been already underway. He was CISA director during the November general elections.

I said that the "media" was not "mum" about this topic, because it was the "media" that informed me about this Twitter message.

It's difficult to have "engagement" on conversations like that. I fully expect that same Pennock's guy to appear again tomorrow or next week with another message that disses the "media" for being "mum" about something else, and I will be able to find one or more reports in the "media" that eviscerates this idea that the "media" is hiding or overlooking something important about that--whatever that is going to be.

I feel like I'm stuck within a Time Loop.




I don't understand how anyone could claim the media (I'll say "news", since that is primarily what is meant) (media goes far beyond the news) doesn't ignore stories, and choose stories and topics based on political agendas. You feel like that doesnt happen?

Then after that, what is reported is many times, twisted, shown only one side, or left many details out. On top of that, opinion, emotional pleas and wording added. On top of that, blame insinuated.

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rinselberg DEC 21, 12:42 PM
I don't think that's the same as the "media" being "mum" about the cyber-hacking and elections-relate topic that I brought in here.

One of the attractions (potentially) of a forum like this is to have people discuss topics using a variety of sources for their information and assertions.

I'm a big fan of MSNBC. I almost always have it playing on the TV whether I am purposely watching TV or doing anything else down here in the area where the TV is located.

Sometimes I switch to CNN for awhile. Fox News--never. OAN or Newsmax ... I don't think these are part of the cable TV package that we have.

If I see or hear something on MSNBC or CNN that makes me want to investigate further, I go online and look for additional media reports.

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olejoedad DEC 21, 12:55 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

I don't think.......




We know.

A friend of mine has a parrot that watches TV.

I think the bird understands more about the current state of the world than you do.

You said you feel like you're stuck in a Time Loop?

Broaden your sources of information.
rinselberg DEC 21, 01:07 PM
I just discovered that we have Newsmax.

I'll leave it on for awhile.
2.5 DEC 21, 02:15 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

I'm a big fan of MSNBC. I almost always have it playing on the TV whether I am purposely watching TV or doing anything else down here in the area where the TV is located.

Sometimes I switch to CNN for awhile. Fox News--never. OAN or Newsmax ... I don't think these are part of the cable TV package that we have.

If I see or hear something on MSNBC or CNN that makes me want to investigate further, I go online and look for additional media reports.




Doing that would be major "news" overload burnout for me. Though I would also recommend widening the sources.