A specific hypothetical Covid vaccine question (Page 1/5)
maryjane DEC 02, 10:30 PM
For the approx 1/2 million US Covid vaccine trial volunteers that stood up and said "Stick ME!" approx 1/2 got the placebo.
Now that the results of these trials are coming in and looking very good, do we, as a thankful nation owe it to the 1/2 that got the placebo to ensure they get the real deal among the first folks that receive the mass immunizations? (1st, after nursing home workers and patients and healthcare workers)


I understand the whole double blind thing that needs to carry on for some months in order to look for longer term problems, but hey, they stood up above the crowd and said, "Yeah, I'll do it".
I personally think they deserve and earned some kind of 'line cutting' privilege's, tho most would probably not ask for it.
Your thoughts? (regarding the above question)

https://www.nytimes.com/202...e-placebo-group.html

[This message has been edited by maryjane (edited 12-02-2020).]

MidEngineManiac DEC 02, 10:51 PM
Most wont...

If you remember 3 years ago, I volunteered to go thru MRI's and have my brain hooked to a computer for neural feedback.

It worked. I've still got a scan of my brain under pressure sitting in the filing cabinet. Broken nose and all.

I didnt do it for money. I got some healing out of it, and what the docs learned will go miles to help heal those "tough guys" who think they can do everything on their own, only to find out they are human after all.

My experiences with volunteering for medical are still free for the asking. Just takes a phone call, no insurance required.

As for this vacine....I trust Gates and Zuker about as far as I can throw am AC500 with one arm......thats not very far.
sourmash DEC 02, 11:04 PM
I wouldn't even consider getting a flu shot. The media promotes it to the Moon every year and getting a good match commonly fails.

I wouldn't believe the hype of the covid-19 vaccine.
maryjane DEC 02, 11:15 PM
Anyone want to actually address the question I asked?
rinselberg DEC 02, 11:17 PM
I think it makes a lot of sense. To position the clinical trial volunteers who were placebo'd towards the front of the line, in terms of priority of receiving a vaccine.

Maybe it's not a no-brainer, but it certainly seems like a reasonable idea to consider.
Lambo nut DEC 02, 11:25 PM
They didn't need it the first time around and survived so why take it now.
That answer your stupid question?
Patrick DEC 02, 11:42 PM

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Originally posted by maryjane:

Anyone want to actually address the question I asked?



<Holds hand up>

Absolutely. Let the guinea pigs people have first crack after the healthcare workers and the elderly.

I've had to revise my response. See below.

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Rickady88GT DEC 03, 12:18 AM

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Originally posted by maryjane:

Anyone want to actually address the question I asked?



IF, they want it, then yes.
Hudini DEC 03, 01:19 AM
I would be pissed to learn that I got the placebo. But yes, let them get the real deal ahead of me.
theogre DEC 03, 01:56 AM
"Now that the results of these trials are coming in and looking very good, do we, as a thankful nation owe it to the 1/2 that got the placebo to ensure they get the real deal among the first folks that receive the mass immunizations?"
You owe them Nothing. People got the placebo may have gotten lucky months or more later.

I've been thru many studies and won't do drug and other tests no matter if they pay you or not.
Why?
1. Most studies including drug and other med studies have "fine print" in the contract etc. that often say you're on your own if have major problems. Most people never read before signing.
Most studies I've taken have about same risk as mowing grass and "normal" things people do anyway even if I'm in safety gear to do them. Several have me in harness similar roofers and other hanging off small cranes or beam tied to ceiling.

I get flu shot and others but Not in a hurry getting any New vaccine by any maker. I'll wait to see the Real results of 10's of Thousands and month later at minimum.

Many of health staff and others won't take a rush FDA approval for anything because many FDA approvals even done the "slow way" have big problems. Like Many Dr's won't proscribe Lyrica now because so many side effects, allergic reactions and worse then you have to get off the drug having more issues.

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