Total Deaths vs. COVID-19 (Page 1/11)
theBDub OCT 05, 10:12 AM
I made a live report, updated every Wednesday directly from the CDC, that shows the impact COVID-19 has had on all deaths. You can create your own baseline for comparison, by either controlling for population or not, selecting or excluding certain years, or excluding certain weeks (due to this being provisional deaths, I recommend excluding the most recent 3-5 weeks).

The CDC has multiple databases to choose from. I selected the weekly data that compared COVID-19 with other primary causes, because I had gotten some questions on COVID-19's impact vs. the flu. You can also compare against other causes on the bottom left using the drop down.

By selecting a state, you can filter all of the visuals to data from that state.

I'm no expert, but the data is readily available from the CDC, and I decided to put this together to quickly show the overall impact we've seen. This is not cases, as each state reports cases so variably, that I don't find it that meaningful. Death, however, is fairly consistently reported.
olejoedad OCT 05, 10:31 AM
Nice work BDub.

The CDC data is corrupted in the sense that many covid reported deaths are simply due to the gunshot/traffic accident/falling down the stairs victims testing positive for the virus, even though the virus wasn't the cause of death.

Hopefully in the future, the causality numbers will be investigated and we will have a better picture of how this virus actually impacted our health.
rinselberg OCT 05, 11:13 AM
"Roger that."
maryjane OCT 05, 11:49 AM

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Originally posted by olejoedad:

Nice work BDub.

The CDC data is corrupted in the sense that many covid reported deaths are simply due to the gunshot/traffic accident/falling down the stairs victims testing positive for the virus, even though the virus wasn't the cause of death.

Hopefully in the future, the causality numbers will be investigated and we will have a better picture of how this virus actually impacted our health.



I've asked this before of different people and thus far, no one has answered it other than extremely vague 'allegations'.

How many people nationwide, (in real numbers) have been counted as a covid death but really died from auto accident, gunshots, falling down the stairs and what % of the total 214,694 reported Covid deaths are they?

Numbers and a % please and some documentation to back those #s up would be a plus.

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olejoedad OCT 05, 12:02 PM
A study from Germany earlier this year indicated that a high percentage of C19 attributed deaths had underlying conditions that would have caused death before the end of the year.

I have family in the health care field that have been instructed that any patient or corpse that tests positive for C19, the death will be attributed to the virus. This includes patients with heart attacks but no symptoms of the virus, auto accident victims, gunshot victims, etc.

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theBDub OCT 05, 12:09 PM
The report I made includes “all deaths,” so if COVID-19 deaths are just over counted from other deaths, we would expect all deaths to remain stable, while COVID-19 deaths “steal” from other causes. We don’t see that trend here.

All death is just accelerated death. We will all die at some point. The argument that it’s just sped up people who would already die isn’t useful, because we will all die.
rinselberg OCT 05, 12:28 PM

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Originally posted by theBDub:

The report I made includes “all deaths,” so if COVID-19 deaths are just over counted from other deaths, we would expect all deaths to remain stable, while COVID-19 deaths “steal” from other causes. We don’t see that trend here.

All death is just accelerated death. We will all die at some point. The argument that it’s just sped up people who would already die isn’t useful, because we will all die.


There are people (not me) that would likely say that (some of) the higher than expected number of deaths since the beginning of the pandemic are not the direct consequence of Covid-19 infections, but are the unintended consequences of the business-related shutdowns and other restrictions and conditions that have been mandated or encouraged by the various levels of government as the "Pandemic Response."

Actually, I would say that some of the higher than expected number of deaths since the beginning of the pandemic are not the direct consequence of Covid-19 infections, but arise from the unintended consequences of the Pandemic Response.

Of course there's another intersectional circle in the Venn diagram: The people who were Covid-19 positive before they died AND died in a way that can be categorized as arising from their reaction to (or situation arising from) the Pandemic Response.

But I have seen reports that there has been a reduction of some other communicable diseases--seasonal and out of season seasonal influenza, first and foremost--as a result of the social distancing, masking, and other reductions of face-to-face interactions and physical proximity that are comprised by the Pandemic Responses. That would be factored in as a downwards or diminishing contribution to the overall number of deaths. Except...

Except that in some cases, a person who might have gotten the "flu" and stayed home, actually did not get influenza and ventured outside their home and died in some kind of circumstance outside their home. On the other hand, since they didn't stay home, they could have avoided becoming a mortality statistic arising from a home accident of some kind. And it doesn't stop there.

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theBDub OCT 05, 12:53 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

There are people (not me) that would likely say that (some of) the higher than expected number of deaths since the beginning of the pandemic are not the direct consequence of Covid-19 infections, but are the unintended consequences of the various business-related shutdowns and other restrictions and conditions that have been mandated or encouraged by the various levels of government as the "Pandemic Response."

Actually, I would say that some of the higher than expected number of deaths since the beginning of the pandemic are not the direct consequence of Covid-19 infections, but arise from the unintended consequences of the Pandemic Response.

Of course there's another circle in the Venn diagram: The people who were Covid-19 positive before they died AND died in a way that can be categorized as arising from their reaction to (or situation arising from) the Pandemic Response.

But I have seen reports that there has been a reduction of some other communicable diseases--seasonal and out of season seasonal influenza, first and foremost--as a result of the social distancing, masking, and other reductions of face-to-face interactions and physical proximity that are comprised by the Pandemic Responses. That would be factored in as a downwards or diminishing contribution to the overall number of deaths. Except that in some cases, a person who might have gotten the "flu" and stayed home, actually did not get the flu and ventured outside their home and died in some kind of accident outside their home. On the other hand, since they weren't home, they could have escaped death at the hands of a violent home invasion kind of crime.

How's that for clarity?




Even though there are fewer people on the road, we have seen more fatal car crashes, due to reckless driving. I’ve heard we are also up in suicides. These externalities are cared for by seeing the variance between the trends. We have actually seen more excess deaths than we have COVID-19 deaths.

There are tons of changes in trends that we can see, but none would follow the same wave pattern that we see as a result of viral spread. The trend we see here is fairly clear—we have many COVID-19 deaths that are truly due to the virus and can’t be explained otherwise.
rinselberg OCT 05, 12:55 PM
That's well said, BDub... theBDub.

I was trying to make my message even more ridiculous, even as you were wording your response.

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