Virus probe-palooza. 15-minute 'read' but exact origin of virus may never be known. (Page 2/2)
rinselberg JUN 02, 06:06 PM
re: olejoedad

These two reports that I have posted here, about scientific research into the origins of the virus, are not any "big deal", as far as I'm concerned.

Just two of the general (not science professional) media reports that I have read on the topic, and purely out of curiosity.

I like the earlier report because it posits that the virus could have been created in a lab--perhaps the Wuhan University lab that has been talked about so much--but created by chance or circumstance, and not as the end product of any purposeful plan by the researchers in the lab. That's briefly described at or near the top of the report. But it posits alternative theories for the outbreak of Covid-19 that wreaked havoc on the mega-sized Chinese city of Wuhan. Theories that do not involve any research lab(s).

I like the report that I added today because it posits that the SARS-CoV-2 virus has been created, possibly without any purposeful human hand, when a coronavirus species common to bats interacted with another virus species common to pangolins in a process called "genetic Recombination." That may be part of the larger story.

This forum topic has elicited civilized Reply messages from D B Cooper and 82-T/A, who both expressed some interest in the topic. Interest enough that they were motivated to create civilized Reply messages.

I don't regret the relatively small amount of time that I have wasted in setting up this forum topic and subsequently participating in it via the Reply message motif. I categorize it as Social Media Interaction Time, even if the Interaction part is not at all extensive.

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williegoat JUN 02, 06:19 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

Testing... not sure my browser is allowing me to post.


It's for your own good.
Patrick JUN 02, 06:46 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

It's for your own good.



Okay, that was funny... but so much of the flack that rinselberg receives isn't.

I don't understand why it's so necessary for everyone to hum the same tune here in O/T. Is that what you guys all want? No one's allowed to be different?

I enjoy kidding around with some of you... but damn, it makes it difficult to continue doing so when I see someone being picked on continuously by a number of you for no valid reason.
cvxjet JUN 02, 06:50 PM
Ok.....Lets look at some odd facts about this covid virus; It is almost perfect as a (Indescriminate) bio-weapon...Long incubation time, no symptoms in a large percentage of population, and apparently it changes and even does some semi-permanent damage....

Also, cruise ships are a perfect way to spread the virus, with people from all over the world (but especially America and western Europe) coming into tight quarters, then going home (With the virus)......The cruise ships in the western Pacific that had stopped in China obviously would be exposed and have outbreaks....But they had several cruise ships in the Caribbean that had outbreaks and were isolated....That seems...........ODD.........

Italy was hit especially hard....Why? In 2019, the Italian legislature caught one of their members trying to "Game the system" to make himself PM......They came together and banished him from the legislature- and then went hard against that man's best bud and supporter....a guy named Vlad.....

Russia has very poor reporting of what is happening with the outbreak- and the info we do receive is controlled by good ole Vlad....also, they are reporting an extremely low death rate....Why?

Although certain people LOVE Russia and the "Greatest Christian" Vlad, ole Putin wants to destroy the US and reassemble the USSR- he has stated this numerous times and stated that he would stop at NOTHING to reach this goal.....He wants to start a Civil war that will destroy America.....He is very successful in his quest.....we are close.....
rinselberg JUN 02, 07:07 PM

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Originally posted by D B Cooper:

I still think the simplest explanation is that one way or another, it came out of the lab in Wuhan.

The story they're pushing is that somehow it popped up in the meat market, even though we don't have any real evidence anyone even sold bats at the market. Okay maybe a bat infected some other intermediate animal. How many animals sold there would have been coming from 1000 miles away ? And the authorities didn't exhaust every means to identify and track the source of the virus in the market; they simply destroyed everything and sterilized the whole place ? Add the fact that many of the early victims had no connection to the market, and it doesn't really look like a smoking gun, as much as a convenient explanation.

As far as the lab, we're to believe that it was entirely coincidental that the lab was located close to where the new disease popped up. And it's entirely coincidental that the virologists there had been collecting bats from 1000 miles away, looking specifically for bat sars virus strains to study.

Absent some probable mechanism whereby some animal picks up that most similar bat sars virus, and transports it 1000 miles to Wuhan, and ends up in the meat market, the lab is by FAR the simpler scenario. Occum's Razor applies.


I can think of some reasonably straightforward ways for that to have happened. I am reading "between the lines" of that first report.

Hypothesis #1: Someone or some group affiliated with any of the pathogen research labs in or around the mega metropolis of Wuhan (at least three such labs, I think) had travelled the 100s of kilometers away from Wuhan to where most of the bats live. They went into the Batcave(s) to collect blood or excrement or other kinds of samples from the bat colonies that would contain the viruses that live and replicate using the bats as hosts. They could have become infected with the Covid-19 virus while they were doing that, and carried the virus back to the Wuhan area--not in the intended way, as part of a specimen collection--but accidentally, within their own bloodstream. They took the virus "home" with them, in the most literal sense.

Hypothesis #2: It could have been a farmer or farm worker that cultivated the land, 100s of kilometers away from Wuhan--where the bats are--and then had reason to travel themselves to Wuhan. The bat excrement or guano has been known to be of interest to famers for collecting and using as a crop fertilizer. There are other, more coincidental ways that a person living in that area could get any of the bat-infesting viruses into their own bloodstream, even short of actually having been "bited on" (bitten sounds too much like "smitten") by a bat. Bats are not the most fastidious of creatures as they fly around and sometimes fly inside of human living and working spaces.

These make sense to me... as hypotheses.

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williegoat JUN 02, 07:24 PM
Some bats travel many hundreds of miles and are essential pollinators much like bees. I could see how this could spread a virus over a large area.



When drinking tequila, always make a toast to the bats.
olejoedad JUN 03, 07:45 AM
So there is a link between Corona, bats and tequila.

Maybe tequila is the vaccine?
williegoat JUN 03, 10:11 AM

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Originally posted by olejoedad:

So there is a link between Corona, bats and tequila.

Maybe tequila is the vaccine?


Tequila is the answer to all of life's problems. It used to make me bulletproof, like Popeye and spinach.
cliffw JUN 03, 11:56 AM

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Okay, that was funny... but so much of the flack that rinselberg receives isn't.



I give him as much flack as I can, . Yet, I have PM'ed him well wishes absent of a topic.

What is inspiring, is, he, like an underdog, can not be beat.

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Patrick JUN 03, 03:25 PM

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Originally posted by cliffw:

What is inspiring, is, he, like an underdog, can not be beat.



What I find uninspiring, is the continual beat down here of anyone with a dissenting viewpoint. It's not just the opinion that's attacked, it's the person themself. Nothing but schoolyard bully tactics, perpetrated by supposed adults. It's no wonder people leave this forum in disgust, never to return.