Should a parent be forced to get a child immunized? (Page 1/7)
blackrams JUN 30, 08:17 AM
California Legislature Passes 'Mandatory' Vaccine Bill, Sends It To The Governor

http://www.npr.org/sections...s-it-to-the-governor


While I understand the public outcry about a parents rights to decide what gets injected into their child's body, I also understand why some think everyone should be immunized.

Leaning toward the rights of parents to decide. Again, California leads the way at destroying rights. My bet is that Big Brother has a California birth certificate.

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Ron

Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun?

My Uncle Frank was a staunch Conservative and voted straight Republican until the day he died in Chicago. Since then he has voted Democrat. Shrug

84fiero123 JUN 30, 08:55 AM
But, But, Bit it's for the children !

I believe we both grew up when it was mandatory for kids to have ALL their shots before entering school, at least I did. That almost completely eradicated measles and chicken pox, except that we allow kids now to do whatever they want, and as well all know the minority's rule now, not the majority.

But then in this new day and age of air travel all it takes is one immigrant, legal or otherwise to bring these back, as seen in the Disneyland thing a while back. That one guy made 150 or so sick who may have infected others themselves by being sick or just carriers, they don't show symptoms but can pass the disease onto others.

So is one parents right more important than the majority? I don't know anything except we almost had it eradicated and because of these people who feel because they are special they shouldn't have to have the shot. I wonder how some of those parents feel now if the kids were at Disneyland and got infected? I am sure they will sue the park because their precious little child caught it there, even though if their kid had be inoculated before hand they would not have got it.

So it is really a crap shoot about who is more right and being it is a California law I am not a real fan of it as well, I don't think any law that has come out of California in the last 20 years that did anything good.

So I am also torn as to who is right.

Steve

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2.5 JUN 30, 08:56 AM
So is it just for documented legal citizens?
2.5 JUN 30, 09:00 AM

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Originally posted by blackrams:
Leaning toward the rights of parents to decide.



I tend to too by default. Though, do they put other people at risk by not getting immunizations?
Also are the reasons not to immunize legitimate?
blackrams JUN 30, 09:19 AM
Steve,
I don't believe it's a situation of one's right versus the majority in this case, you and I (as parents) still have the right to immunize/protect our children from the "common" diseases. All we have to do is ensure our children are immunized. Should a parent choose to not get their child immunized, their child is the one at risk. I say that, all the while knowing that there are age restrictions on when immunizations are supposed to be given so, there will always be some unprotected children but, life is a gamble and unless someone develops some miracle drug that can be administered to a pregnant mother to protect a fetus from conception forward, that will always be the case.

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Ron

Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun?

My Uncle Frank was a staunch Conservative and voted straight Republican until the day he died in Chicago. Since then he has voted Democrat. Shrug

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yellowstone JUN 30, 09:27 AM

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Originally posted by blackrams:

Steve,
I don't believe it's a situation of one's right versus the majority in this case, you and I (as parents) still have the right to immunize/protect our children from the "common" diseases. All we have to do is ensure our children are immunized. Should a parent choose to not get their child immunized, their child is the one at risk. I say that, all the while knowing that there are age restrictions on when immunizations are supposed to be given so, there will always be some unprotected children but, life is a gamble



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity
84fiero123 JUN 30, 09:34 AM

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Originally posted by blackrams:

Steve,
I don't believe it's a situation of one's right versus the majority in this case, you and I (as parents) still have the right to immunize/protect our children from the "common" diseases. All we have to do is ensure our children are immunized. Should a parent choose to not get their child immunized, their child is the one at risk. I say that, all the while knowing that there are age restrictions on when immunizations are supposed to be given so, there will always be some unprotected children but, life is a gamble and unless someone develops some miracle drug that can be administered to a pregnant mother to protect a fetus from conception forward, that will always be the case.

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Ron



Funny thing is getting immunized does not guaranty you will not get the disease, Amanda was immunized for the measles and still got it when she was in school, so yes life is nothing more than a crap shoot. So what's the point, if you get the shot you can still get it if someone else has it, granted a less severe case but you can still get it like Amanda did a few years back.

Steve

blackrams JUN 30, 09:37 AM

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Originally posted by yellowstone:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity




Well, that's pretty much a non-statement. Yep, herd-immunity does work to a certain extent but, again, those who choose to not immunize are still not guaranteed of not being infected.

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Ron

Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun?

My Uncle Frank was a staunch Conservative and voted straight Republican until the day he died in Chicago. Since then he has voted Democrat. Shrug

blackrams JUN 30, 09:39 AM

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Originally posted by 84fiero123:


Funny thing is getting immunized does not guaranty you will not get the disease, Amanda was immunized for the measles and still got it when she was in school, so yes life is nothing more than a crap shoot. So what's the point, if you get the shot you can still get it if someone else has it, granted a less severe case but you can still get it like Amanda did a few years back.

Steve



Steve,
I fully agree and understand. It's pretty much a given that you can't immunize against a case of stupid but, it's still going around even though, the herd has been immunized.

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Ron

Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun?

My Uncle Frank was a staunch Conservative and voted straight Republican until the day he died in Chicago. Since then he has voted Democrat. Shrug

84fiero123 JUN 30, 09:48 AM

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Originally posted by blackrams:
Steve,
I fully agree and understand. It's pretty much a given that you can't immunize against a case of stupid but, it's still going around even though, the herd has been immunized.



I think it is still going around, Because there are those that aren't immunized, do legal immigrants have to be immunized before entering the country ?

How about those illegal immigrants who just walk across the boarder without ever being checked when coming, think they got all their shots ?

We do have a very lax immigration policy and what about all the students here on student visa's are they required to be inoculated?

Hey I still am not sure about this, if the parents should be able to say no for whatever reason, religious, or whatever. I think parent should be able to decide but what about those who never had that option available, like our ever increasing immigrant population?

Steve

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