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cvxjet
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JAN 20, 04:08 PM
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First off; Exxon Valdez incident- just don't hire a drunk for a skipper!
Second, why don't they build some refineries in Montana? Then the piping of the crude would be short and after you would only have the end product to move, in trucks or trains.....
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maryjane
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JAN 20, 04:10 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
Do they pump across the Smoky Mountains/Appalachians or go up the valleys and around the mountains with taps for destinations to the higher elevations, then truck it to little communities? |
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LNG/LPG and other finished product lines can cross mountains as it is so much lighter and less viscous than crude.
Generally tho, those lines run East along the Gulf Coast and then up the Eastern seaboard. I know a lot of LPG and home heating oil was trucked NE one recent winter as there was insufficient pipeline capacity to supply the NE with it's needs and there was a lot in the news about it. Hank Hill made a killin that year..
You can poke around the EIA's website and get a clearer picture.. that's the same page the crude oil pipeline map came from.
https://www.eia.gov/todayin...bs_SpotPriceSlider-1
There was also a lengthy discussion here in OT years back when Keystone was 1st proposed and I think another when Obama shut it down.[This message has been edited by maryjane (edited 01-20-2021).]
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Patrick
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JAN 20, 05:06 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
There was also a lengthy discussion here in OT years back when Keystone was 1st proposed and I think another when Obama shut it down.
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Decent discussion Here from 2012.
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sourmash
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JAN 20, 07:05 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by cvxjet:
Second, why don't they build some refineries in Montana? |
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Too much regulation?
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maryjane
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JAN 20, 07:37 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by cvxjet:
First off; Exxon Valdez incident- just don't hire a drunk for a skipper!
Second, why don't they build some refineries in Montana? Then the piping of the crude would be short and after you would only have the end product to move, in trucks or trains..... |
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I'm not sure we have the excess capacity in either to move that much product.
The other issue is the life span of the Alberta oil sands, and that of the Bakken Shale. Refineries today are very expensive to build and maintain and there has to be enough crude feed in the area to ensure roi for the future.
Build new refineries in Montana? There have been some up for sale recently.
March 2019 I believe is the date on this article.
https://www.nasdaq.com/arti...y-sources-2020-03-11
That Exxon refinery that was sold had been there since before the mid 60s. Built by the forerunner of Exxon, Humble Oil and Refining Co, so it was pretty old, tho upgraded several times. It may have been one of the plants that sprung up during WW2.
(Edit. Looks like the Exxon Billings Mt. plant didn't sell. They were asking 1/2 billion for it in 2016.
Phillips66 is there in Billings as well and does process Canadian heavy high sulfur crude according to their weboage.
https://www.phillips66.com/...ng/billings-refinery[This message has been edited by maryjane (edited 01-20-2021).]
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sourmash
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JAN 20, 08:03 PM
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*sigh* Dratts was in that other thread.
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fierosound
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JAN 21, 11:33 PM
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cliffw
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JAN 22, 03:39 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by cvxjet:
Well...I am dying from Lupus induced by the prescription drug Omeprazole...Maybe 4-6 years and I'll be toast.... |
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I am sorry to hear this. Prayers and well wishes. Try not to believe that. You are living with Lupus.
I have no clue what Lupus is but I am gonna have a look see. No children ? I can only hope you find this amusing but ... can I have your Fiero,  ?
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cliffw
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JAN 22, 03:45 AM
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cliffw
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JAN 22, 05:35 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
... I can agree with perhaps one policy that DJT endorsed. Every other policy of his regarding Canada (ie tariffs on steel and aluminum) did nothing but hurt both the US and Canada. |
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Bullzhit ! I felt no pain over the aluminum tariffs. I don't think the price of my beer can went up. Exactly how did President Donald Trump's policies hurt the US of A ?
| quote | Originally posted by cvxjet:
There was a lot of people in NE, MO, SD, KS and OK who were complaining of Eminent Domain theft of their land for Keystone.....
I see that Pipeline as more of the Oil Industry saying, "We will take whatever we want- Don't get in our way!"
Kind of like all of the ED cases with the "WALL!!!!" (That Mexico paid for....NOT!) |
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First, what is ED ?
Eminent Domain theft of their land ? Please explain. My life vocation was on oil drilling rigs. Land was leased by the consent of the owner.
| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
So, what of it? We both know the only reason why he favored the pipeline was that it would've eventually helped line his own pockets. Let's not pretend it was for any noble reason. |
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Did you see his income tax filings ?
| quote | Originally posted by cvxjet:
What would you do if the Govt and Oil industry told you "GET OUT!" and paid you 30 cents on the dollar for a farm that has been in your family for generations? You'd sing "Trump is great and so is the Oil industry!" |
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I wouldn't. I wouldn't get out. I wouldn't sing Trump is great. I wouldn't take 30 cents on the dollar, even if I got nothing.
| quote | Originally posted by cvxjet:
We need ED, but it should only be used in extreme cases- not just to line big corporate pockets- Kinda like overthrowing a duly elected govt in Iran for the Oil industry....But maybe 3000 people who were in the towers would agree with you......."Right"....? |
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Ok, I got it. ED is not erectile disfunction. Eminent domain.
Which duly elected government in Iran did we overthrow ? Your President Trump did not start any new wars or skirmishes, and, brought our troops home. Trump is GREAT, , !
| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
Thanks. My insight has served me well.
Looks like I was three for three. Read 'em and weep. 
[QUOTE]Originally posted 11-01-2020 11:53 PM by Patrick:
I predict that...
a) Biden will win the election.
b) O/T will be awash with excuses.
c) Trump will eventually be looked back upon by Democrat and Republican alike as an abject failure of a President.
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Your imagination serves you well.
| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
Give it time, Todd... give it time. As further information becomes available pertaining to the extent of Trump's total incompetence in office, more and more responsible Republicans will wish to wash their hands of him. It's already begun. |
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Gee golly. I had you pegged as our Canadian Clairvoyant Canuck. My bad. It's looking like you are more of a bullzhitter. You should delete that above statement and hope I do too. It makes you look (censored).
| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
Full disclosure... I'd prefer that Alberta crude not be shipped out through the Port of Vancouver to wherever. I'd hate to see a Exxon Valdez type disaster occur locally. |
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Ah. You are the living brother of the DEAD US Senator from Massachusetts brother from another Mother. Ted Kennedy.
Not in my backyard !
Perhaps your cousin ...
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Sen. John Kerry, Massachusetts’ junior senator and another key green ally, called attempts to derail the project an “insult.” |
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That would be the John Kerry who wants to allow Iran to have nuclear weapons.
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