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2.5
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NOV 06, 10:46 PM
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In a time when Biden has plans to allow people to sue ammo manufacturers when and end user uses their ammo for something nefarious....so far this lawsuit is also currently working its way up to suing an ammo retailer as well:
"The latest is the court ruling allowing a lawsuit against the Cabela’s store in Cheektowaga to proceed after it sold ammunition to then- 19-year-old Jake Klocek, who used it in a handgun to accidentally kill 19-year-old Anthony King, a friend he’d invited over while housesitting for an Elma couple.
The suit by the victim’s family contends that Cabela’s – a defendant along with Klocek and the Elma couple – “knew or should have known its failure to use reasonable care” in selling the ammunition to someone like Klocek would result in serious injury or death.
But that claim hinges on the fact that Klocek, under 21 at the time, could not legally buy handgun ammunition.
However, he could legally buy long gun ammunition. And as Cabela’s attorneys point out, the ammunition in question – .45 ACP – can be used in both handguns and rifles. If the clerk asks and the buyer says it’s for a rifle, how is the store supposed to know, short of having a polygraph machine at every register?
Nevertheless, the fact that both a State Supreme Court justice and an appellate court allowed the case to proceed is likely to ripple through the retail firearms industry. If the case makes it to trial and King’s parents win, it’s easy to envision it precipitating more of the types of marketplace constrictions that anti-gun politicians can only dream about..."
https://www.google.com/amp/...35cbb1280b0.amp.html
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2.5
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NOV 07, 09:41 PM
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If retailers are allowed to be sued for the customers use of ammo they sell, its pretty likely they will stop selling ammo altogether.
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MidEngineManiac
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NOV 07, 09:47 PM
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Just wait until they start suing knife, hammer and rock manufacturers.
Maybe a "great reset" is what we need. Wipe it all out and start gain. THIS experiment is a failure.[This message has been edited by MidEngineManiac (edited 11-07-2020).]
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randye
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NOV 08, 07:21 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by 2.5:
In a time when Biden has plans to allow people to sue ammo manufacturers when and end user uses their ammo for something nefarious....so far this lawsuit is also currently working its way up to suing an ammo retailer as well:
"The latest is the court ruling allowing a lawsuit against the Cabela’s store in Cheektowaga to proceed after it sold ammunition to then- 19-year-old Jake Klocek, who used it in a handgun to accidentally kill 19-year-old Anthony King, a friend he’d invited over while housesitting for an Elma couple.
The suit by the victim’s family contends that Cabela’s – a defendant along with Klocek and the Elma couple – “knew or should have known its failure to use reasonable care” in selling the ammunition to someone like Klocek would result in serious injury or death.
But that claim hinges on the fact that Klocek, under 21 at the time, could not legally buy handgun ammunition.
However, he could legally buy long gun ammunition. And as Cabela’s attorneys point out, the ammunition in question – .45 ACP – can be used in both handguns and rifles. If the clerk asks and the buyer says it’s for a rifle, how is the store supposed to know, short of having a polygraph machine at every register?
Nevertheless, the fact that both a State Supreme Court justice and an appellate court allowed the case to proceed is likely to ripple through the retail firearms industry. If the case makes it to trial and King’s parents win, it’s easy to envision it precipitating more of the types of marketplace constrictions that anti-gun politicians can only dream about..."
https://www.google.com/amp/...35cbb1280b0.amp.html
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A simple, easy, one page or less "hold harmless wavier" with every ammunition purchase will effectively END this type of litigation.
Yes, I know it creates yet another hoop that we shouldn't have to jump through and it potentially would create a retained record of who bought what with regard to ammunition unless a way is found to create a "blanket" wavier, (which I am sure can be done), but the point is there are ways to stop this type of litigation and protect merchants.[This message has been edited by randye (edited 11-08-2020).]
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sourmash
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NOV 08, 08:14 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by MidEngineManiac:
Just wait until they start suing knife, hammer and rock manufacturers.
Maybe a "great reset" is what we need. Wipe it all out and start gain. THIS experiment is a failure.
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Never let a crisis go to waste. A reset is what the Deep State wants to use to remove Constitutionally recognized rights from Americans. The rights that get in the way of furthering tyranny.
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Jake_Dragon
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NOV 08, 02:35 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:
A simple, easy, one page or less "hold harmless wavier" with every ammunition purchase will effectively END this type of litigation.
Yes, I know it creates yet another hoop that we shouldn't have to jump through and it potentially would create a retained record of who bought what with regard to ammunition unless a way is found to create a "blanket" wavier, (which I am sure can be done), but the point is there are ways to stop this type of litigation and protect merchants.
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That's how they sell fireworks in Florida for the last 30 years
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2.5
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NOV 09, 03:25 PM
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2.5
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NOV 13, 11:35 AM
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Monkeyman
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NOV 13, 05:16 PM
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82-T/A [At Work]
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NOV 13, 09:18 PM
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Democrats are going to have a really difficult time in the very near future.
Laser guns are becoming easier and easier to make. You can make one from an old CD-ROM... it takes a lot of battery power, and it has to be focused on the target for a few seconds... but if someone actually put in some real effort you'd have something feasible. With Tesla improving battery power and reducing size, we're maybe a decade away from this hitting markets I'd suspect.
Second you can basically 3D print guns anyway... so anyone can make their own gun right now... with CNC machines getting cheaper, people can actually CNC their own guns now too.
I can see all kinds of silly legislation coming out in the near future... none of it will make a bit of difference.
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