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NOV 04, 08:59 PM
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The Mueller investigation succeeded in harassing and intimidating Trump associates.
The Mueller investigation failed to find any evidence that Trump or his associated colluded with any foreign power in any effort to influence the 2016 election.
If the success of a government program is defined as harassing and intimidating citizens, then Mueller succeeded.
If the success of a government program is defined as accomplishing its stated objective, then Mueller failed.
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randye
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NOV 04, 09:12 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by williegoat:
The Mueller investigation succeeded in harassing and intimidating Trump associates.
The Mueller investigation failed to find any evidence that Trump or his associated colluded with any foreign power in any effort to influence the 2016 election.
If the success of a government program is defined as harassing and intimidating citizens, then Mueller succeeded.
If the success of a government program is defined as accomplishing its stated objective, then Mueller failed.
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It always amazes me how stubbornly and stupidly Leftists will hold onto their narratives even long after they have been systematically and factually shown to be falsehoods.
I have come to the conclusion that there is a certain percentage of the population that is psychologically predisposed to both believe and disseminate propaganda and that predisposition is directly proportional to their absence of critical thinking ability.
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NOV 05, 09:53 AM
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Trump abandoned his campaign promise of America First very quickly, maybe immediately. He was stable on slowing border crossings, yes. But not much the rest.
Leftists do adhear to and practice that thing that 20th century Germans pointed out that was used against them by their opponents and enemies.
That thing is The Big Lie. And leftists still practice it as a tactic. That's what Goebbels said. He said that is what is used against them.
Trump has a recent video interview you can find stating that Israel "rightly" deserves to control and own our Congress and says they should like they did 10 years ago.
https://mobile.t witter.com/...he-mean-by-this-2%2F
But his REPUBLICAN supporters won't acknowledge how that betrays his campaign slogan, which was the movement that brought him our votes. He desperately wants the deep state to support him. The same people who defeated him, no less. He betrays the Capitol protesters too. And he shills the experimental injections still. Intelligence agencies control our country, our politics and they control our media to push their agenda.
You're screwed. We're screwed. He will screw you further.[This message has been edited by sourmash (edited 11-05-2021).]
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Rickady88GT
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NOV 05, 04:55 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
Trump abandoned his campaign promise of America First very quickly, maybe immediately.
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I disagree
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You're screwed. We're screwed. He will screw you further.
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Trump 2024. FJB, let's go BRANDON. Trump 2024 baby!!!!!!!!
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NOV 06, 06:42 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by williegoat:
The Mueller investigation succeeded in harassing and intimidating Trump associates.
The Mueller investigation failed to find any evidence that Trump or his associated colluded with any foreign power in any effort to influence the 2016 election.
If the success of a government program is defined as harassing and intimidating citizens, then Mueller succeeded.
If the success of a government program is defined as accomplishing its stated objective, then Mueller failed. |
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The Muller investigation was a failure.
That would be the takeaway from the title that the New York Times used at the top of this article.
"Why the Mueller Investigation Failed"
Katie Benner for the New York TImes; originally published on August 5, 2020, and recently updated on September 1, 2021.
https://www.nytimes.com/202...-jeffrey-toobin.html
Benner's article, for either "benner" or worse, is a look at what was a newly published book over a year ago, at the beginning of August 2020, from Jeffrey Toobin, "True Crimes and Misdemeanors", subtitled "The Investigation of Donald Trump" and published as a hardcover by Doubleday.
JeffreyToobin, as I suspect someone is not unlikely to remark, become something of a laughingstock in the not so distant past--a seemingly unseemly episode that I guess could be described as a "wardrobe malfunction"--but I wouldn't call out his book as "bad" just because of that. I wouldn't read his book, either, but that's because I couldn't read an entire book of that kind from end to end, even if I thought it were important to me.
Here's the very beginning of the article from NYT reporter Katie Benner:
| quote | Thanks to Robert S. Mueller’s Russia investigation, we know that the Kremlin used underhanded tactics to help Donald Trump win the 2016 election, that the Trump campaign tacitly welcomed those efforts and that Trump ultimately attempted to end the Mueller inquiry itself. But in what passes for political discourse today, the report’s damning examples of presidential abuse of power were spun as anti-Trump propaganda. Mueller himself, a once-revered law enforcement official and rock-ribbed Republican, was smeared and diminished by the president’s allies as a left-leaning hack.
In his latest book, “True Crimes and Misdemeanors,” Jeffrey Toobin seeks to explain why Trump came out basically unscathed, despite the fact that, as he writes, the president “never really pretended to be anything other than what he was — a narcissistic scoundrel.” He [Toobin] rightly argues that the investigation was an utter political failure.
Mueller ran a by-the-book, narrow inquiry and adhered to Justice Department rules that bar comment about ongoing investigations. He provided ample evidence that the president broke the law, but in the end he would not clearly say as much. His equivocation provided the president room to declare that Mueller found “no collusion and no obstruction.” Toobin says that this half-truth and falsehood, respectively, were a rhetorical success because “simplicity rarely loses to complexity in battles in the public square.” . . . |
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So that's NYT reporter Katie Benner's take on Jeffrey Toobin's book. It's not quite the way I see it, though--the Mueller investigation. That word "utter" gives me pause. I think that maxing things out or taking things to the limit in that way, with "utter", is unlikely to befriend the truth. I find "a political failure, on the whole" a more credible description of the Mueller investigation, rather than an "utter" political failure.
I remain puzzled by the "updated on September 1, 2021" at the top of this article. Was the text of the article changed in any way, since it was first published in the NYT on August 5, 2020? I see this, at the very end:
| quote | | A version of this article appears in print on Aug. 23, 2020, Page 10 of the Sunday Book Review with the headline: "How Mueller Failed." |
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But that begs the question, was anything in the article changed, except for the slight alteration of the banner or title that was superimposed above the article in the NYT?[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 11-06-2021).]
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randye
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NOV 06, 07:14 PM
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It always amazes me how stubbornly and stupidly Leftists will hold onto their narratives even long after they have been systematically and factually shown to be falsehoods.
I have come to the conclusion that there is a certain percentage of the population that is psychologically predisposed to both believe and disseminate propaganda and that predisposition is directly proportional to their absence of critical thinking ability.
As for that Leftist sexual pervert Toobin, MASTURBATING on video during a live online video meeting is NOT a "wardrobe malfunction".
Leftists will invariably redefine sick and abhorrent behavior of their own in order to minimize or ignore it.
"Jeffry Toobin, a CNN contributor and writer at The New Yorker, got caught tickling his pickle on a work Zoom call. This wasn’t a situation where he thought he had hung up but hadn’t. Oh no. Toobin was purposefully masturbating during a work call."
https://pjmedia.com/news-an...lking-about-n1071724
Toobin has a lot of other sexual depravities that made the news other than his latest intentional public exhibitionism.
That is the kind of sick perverts and morons that Leftists get their opinions and ideas from.[This message has been edited by randye (edited 11-06-2021).]
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Rickady88GT
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NOV 06, 07:37 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:
It always amazes me how stubbornly and stupidly Leftists will hold onto their narratives even long after they have been systematically and factually shown to be falsehoods.
I have come to the conclusion that there is a certain percentage of the population that is psychologically predisposed to both believe and disseminate propaganda and that predisposition is directly proportional to their absence of critical thinking ability.
As for that Leftist sexual pervert Toobin, MASTURBATING on video during a live online video meeting is NOT a "wardrobe malfunction".
Leftists will invariably redefine sick and abhorrent behavior of their own in order to minimize or ignore it.
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This might be the same thing? But I boil it down to "brand loyalty". Not the marketing type per say, but the sports fanatic type. A person that no matter what happens to the team, year after year they are in the stands with season tickets cheering for the team even during a winless season. When a person just has no interest in sports they will search for another outlet for this character trait to express that primal part of our human nature to associate with. But then, some people just like to argue, push buttons, stir up drama just for something to do........fill the lonely hours in the days.
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randye
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NOV 06, 07:54 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Rickady88GT:
This might be the same thing? But I boil it down to "brand loyalty". Not the marketing type per say, but the sports fanatic type. A person that no matter what happens to the team, year after year they are in the stands with season tickets cheering for the team even during a winless season. When a person just has no interest in sports they will search for another outlet for this character trait to express that primal part of our human nature to associate with. But then, some people just like to argue, push buttons, stir up drama just for something to do........fill the lonely hours in the days. |
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How the hell loyal and lonely does somebody have to be to not only get their political ideas and opinions from a confirmed Leftist sexual pervert but to also cite that same pervert as a "authoritative source" for anything?
That's not "brand loyalty".
That's just stupidity.[This message has been edited by randye (edited 11-06-2021).]
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Rickady88GT
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NOV 06, 08:03 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:
How the hell loyal and lonely does somebody have to be to not only get their political ideas and opinions from a confirmed Leftist sexual pervert but to also cite that same pervert as a "authoritative source" for anything?
That's not "brand loyalty".
That's just stupidity.
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Yep, but it happens
Some things in life just don't make sense
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rinselberg
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NOV 06, 08:07 PM
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The political axis isn't the only dimensionality that describes the Mueller probe. There's the investigation itself. There's no paucity of online summaries; I like this one:
"Mueller's investigation is done. Here are the 34 people he indicted along the way"
William Cummings,Tom Vanden Brook, Kevin Johnson and Bart Jansen for USA TODAY; March 25, 2019.
https://www.usatoday.com/st...-charges/3266050002/
The Mueller investigation rises above the landscape of American jurisprudence like a Colossus, and like the persistence of the Great Pyramids of Egypt, still towering above the Giza Plateau almost 5,000 years after the first stone blocks were laid, the Mueller investigation will be remembered for countless years to come.
Archival image.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 11-06-2021).]
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