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| The narrative that the Capitol protest was a “deadly insurrection” is falling apart (Page 83/110) |
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sourmash
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OCT 16, 10:37 AM
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My statement is to people who PRETEND to be on.the right but are just centrist moderates who will act as traitors to actual right minded people.
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rinselberg
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OCT 16, 01:30 PM
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Still the Gold Standard in examining the death of Ashli Babbitt through the lens of what happened on January 6.
Look elsewhere for the story of how Ashli Babbitt succumbed to online radicalization in the day, months and even years before January 6, 2021.
"Evaluating the Police Shooting of Ashli Babbitt" Geoffrey Alpert, Jeff Noble and Seth Stoughton for "Lawfare"; September 9, 2021. https://www.lawfareblog.com...ooting-ashli-babbitt
Read-o-Meter: 20 minutes.
The last two paragraphs:
| quote | In this post, we attempted to bring a balanced perspective to the shooting, applying the now-familiar constitutional standard that regulates the use of deadly force. The limited public information that exists raises serious questions about the propriety of Byrd’s decision to shoot, especially with regard to the assessment that Babbitt was an imminent threat. To belabor the obvious, though, we cannot definitively analyze a situation without the relevant facts, and there is a frustrating shortage of facts. But there are enough facts to conclude that even if Byrd violated Babbitt’s Fourth Amendment rights, it is highly unlikely that he could be ethically charged with, let alone convicted of, a crime.
Those conclusions, tentative as they are, assume that courts will apply the legal rules that usually apply to police shootings. Given the unique context present here, though, we would not be surprised if that turned out not to be the case. |
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I think of the tragedy in terms of the "rinselberg" standard: If I were in the place of Capitol Police Lt. Michael Byrd, would I have fired a potentially lethal round at Ashli Babbit under those circumstances?
Here's a clue:
 [This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 10-16-2021).]
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sourmash
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OCT 16, 01:54 PM
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It was murder. Ashli is a martyr.
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Raydar
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OCT 16, 08:20 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg: ...even if Byrd violated Babbitt’s Fourth Amendment rights, it is highly unlikely that he could be ethically charged
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In other words, the constitution matters. Right up until it doesn't.
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randye
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OCT 16, 11:01 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
...even if Byrd violated Babbitt’s Fourth Amendment rights, it is highly unlikely that he could be ethically charged
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WTF is "ethically charged" supposed to mean?
More Leftist gibberish speak for a legal construct that doesn't exist....like "social justice".
Leftists just love attaching words to make meaningless sh*t sound like it actually means something legitimate.
If anyone wants to attach the word "ethically" to anything having to do with INCOMPETENT COWARD, Michael Byrd, it should properly be
ETHICALLY BANKRUPT
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randye
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OCT 19, 01:47 AM
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As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH INSURRECTION ( 18 U.S. Code § 2383) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021
As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH SEDITION ( 18 U.S. Code § 2384) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021
As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH ADVOCATING OVERTHROW OF GOVERNMENT (18 U.S. Code § 2385) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021
As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH THREATENING GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS OF THE UNITED STATES (under 18 U.S.C. § 871 or 18 U.S. Code § 351 or 18 U.S. Code § 115 or any local statute) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021
As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH TERRORISM (18 U.S. Code CHAPTER 113B § 2331) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021
As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH RIOT (18 U.S. Code § 2101) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021
As of today only 570 individuals], (<1.9 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC have been charged with a crime.
As of today only 35 individuals, (<0.10 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC have been charged with "conspiracy".
As of today only 35 individuals, (6.1 %) out of the 570 people arrested as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021 have been charged with "conspiracy".
As of today only 4 individuals, (0.7 %) out of the 570 people arrested as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021 have pled guilty to "conspiracy".
As of today only 23 individuals, (4.0 %) out of the 570 people arrested as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021 have pled guilty to any charges.
As of today only 23 individuals, (<0.07 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC have pled guilty to any charges
As of today only 17 individuals, (<0.05 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC alleged to be members of the "Oath Keepers" group have been charged with a crime.
As of today only 12 individuals, (<0.04 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC alleged to be members of the "Proud Boys" group have been charged with a crime.
As of today only 1 needless homicide happened at the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC and it was committed by a Demorat with a documented history of mishandling his firearm.
As of today 1 unopened LEGO toy has been seized by the Biden administration as "evidence of a conspiracy" related to the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC
As of today the FBI has officially determined that THERE WAS NO INSURRECTION and that THERE WAS NO LARGE ORGANIZED CONSPIRACY BY ANY "RIGHT WING" GROUPS and that NEITHER FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP NOR ANY OF HIS ASSOCIATES OR ADVISORS WERE INVOLVED IN ANY PLANNING OF A RIOT OR VIOLENCE arising from the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of the January 6, 2021 rally in DC.
As of today the Leftist Congress is trying to soak the American taxpayers for HALF A BILLION DOLLARS in "damages" after telling the DOJ and the federal courts that the capitol building sustained $1.5 million in damages.
As of today 6 Capitol police officers are facing disciplinary action for their actions related to the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC
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rinselberg
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OCT 27, 04:14 AM
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The first 20 minutes of the October 26 edition of "All In With Chris Hayes" starts with the shooting of Ashli Babbitt and ends at the "Whitehouse" . . . Senator Sheldon Whitehouse (D) from Rhode Island.
Along the way, the curious case of Texas Congressman Troy Nehls (R) who just gave an interview calling what happened to Ashli Babbitt a "murder." Really? Chris Hayes examines that against videos of Congressman Nehls inside the Capitol Building on January 6 and against previous statements from Congressman Nehls about January 6.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 10-27-2021).]
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williegoat
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OCT 27, 12:12 PM
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I read that in the movie, the part of Michael Byrd will be played by Alec Baldwin.
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randye
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OCT 27, 02:56 PM
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"An unedited surveillance video from January 6 shows Capitol Police officers not only letting protesters walk unimpeded into the Capitol building, but one officer actually invites them in by waving them along."
"More footage from the Capitol riots throws further doubt on the mainstream media’s narrative that the unarmed protesters entering the Capitol building on January 6th constituted a violent “insurrection.”
A newly-obtained video shows United States Capitol Police officers speaking with several January 6 protestors — including Jacob Chansley, the so-called ‘Q shaman’—inside the Capitol that afternoon,”
“One officer, identified in the video and confirmed by charging documents as Officer Keith Robishaw, appears to tell Chansely’s group they won’t stop them from entering the building,”
“This has to be peaceful,” Chansley yelled at the crowd. “We have the right to peacefully assemble.”
The video directly contradicts what government prosecutors allege in a complaint filed January 8 against Chansley,”
https://beckernews.com/w atc...fiVKX0JV3Im6uNBx0Dqc
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"The truth always eventually comes out and it is NEVER what the Leftist media originally told you."..........randye[This message has been edited by randye (edited 10-27-2021).]
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2.5
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OCT 27, 03:18 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:

"An unedited surveillance video from January 6 shows Capitol Police officers not only letting protesters walk unimpeded into the Capitol building, but one officer actually invites them in by waving them along."
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I saw that video online on Jan 7th.
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